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ratfink56
9th March 2015, 22:44
Has anyone tried their alloy tank for efi Sportsters?
http://singh-precisions.com

hmiller
10th March 2015, 03:47
Saw some bad info on them on a Norton site. Apparently was scammed out of his money. Singhs Facebook page looks good and I'd be interested if was a good seller.


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ratfink56
10th March 2015, 17:00
I found that thread. Does not sound very promising.

ducbsa
11th March 2015, 10:22
A long ways to deal with a possible warranty claim.

maltesefalcon
16th March 2015, 02:51
They charge extra to "seal" their tanks. Speaks volumes to their weld quality.

Especially at the prices they command.

Singh Precisions
17th March 2015, 23:18
Hey all,

This is Singh from Singh Precisions.
Allow me to address the query above.

All our tanks are pressure tested and do not mandatorily require an internal tank sealer. The reason why I recommend using a good tank sealer is because Alloy is not as strong as steel in terms of resistance towards vibration and its imperative to mount alloy fuel tanks over appropriate rubber mounts. Infernally coating the tank with a tank sealer is very beneficial as the sealer prevents any leaks or spills in case of any accident or rough usage (over worn out rubber mounts) over the years which may result in microscopic hairline cracks in the alloy.

With that being said, I emphasis once again, Tanks are pressure tested with over 5psi of pressure and you do NOT need the tank sealer to use the tank. The sealer is just a recommendation if you plan on using the tank for a long time. I use Tried & tested POR 15 tank sealer and I can internally seal the tank for you or you can do it yourself anytime later at your end.

Hope that helps
Thanks
Singh

Singh Precisions
17th March 2015, 23:19
http://singh-precisions.com/wp-content/gallery/harley-sportster/1.JPG

maltesefalcon
18th March 2015, 02:11
Hey all,

This is Singh from Singh Precisions.
Allow me to address the query above.

All our tanks are pressure tested and do not mandatorily require an internal tank sealer. The reason why I recommend using a good tank sealer is because Alloy is not as strong as steel in terms of resistance towards vibration and its imperative to mount alloy fuel tanks over appropriate rubber mounts. Infernally coating the tank with a tank sealer is very beneficial as the sealer prevents any leaks or spills in case of any accident or rough usage (over worn out rubber mounts) over the years which may result in microscopic hairline cracks in the alloy.

With that being said, I emphasis once again, Tanks are pressure tested with over 5psi of pressure and you do NOT need the tank sealer to use the tank. The sealer is just a recommendation if you plan on using the tank for a long time. I use Tried & tested POR 15 tank sealer and I can internally seal the tank for you or you can do it yourself anytime later at your end.

Hope that helps
Thanks
Singh
It would appear I owe an apology. A very thorough explanation for what was a rather cynical comment on my part.
Interest now piqued in who exactly is performing the "infernal" coating though....

ducbsa
18th March 2015, 10:28
The returns (if needed) to a Las Vegas address sounds better than to New Delhi.

ratfink56
18th March 2015, 13:15
I wonder if the issues on the Norton forum have been resolved. Really interested in the efi Manx tank but don't need the hassles I've read about.

Glamazon
18th March 2015, 14:27
Who coats tanks infernally?Hand finished by Old Nick!

Fries_N_ketchup
20th March 2015, 01:50
my balls are big and my wallet is fat. (For now) I'm willing to give this guy a chance to make me a gas tank. I gave him my specs, something like a Lyta tank with a 4.5 gallon capacity to fit a burly brand seat.

Quoted me something close to 600 bucks. Aero gas cap, brushed, inside coated, totally custom to my needs.

He said he would send pics to let me know how it is looks as he goes.


Proof is in the puddin'. I'll keep everyone here updated with how it develops. He said it takes 4 weeks to make.


Boom. I'm not afraid, let's see what becomes of this.

ratfink56
20th March 2015, 13:17
I hope it works out.

maltesefalcon
21st March 2015, 18:48
I wanna know what this will look like too.

Singh Precisions
31st March 2015, 01:01
Anyone can provide an Internal Coating...But for the special Infernal coatings - There is always Singh Precisions (with the auto correct now turned off) :)

Attached are the pics of the Sportster Lyta tank i am doing for 'Fries_N_ketchup' .
The tank shell is all set, sanded and joints polished to check for any pitting or scratches. Once i am done with the checks, i will go ahead and weld the bottom panels & under tunnel.
I will send detailed pics to 'Fries_N_ketchup' via email with measurements prior to the final welding.

Feel free to provide your opinion over the tank's shell.

Regards
Singh

www.singh-precisions.com

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/a1%205_zps4ooey33s.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/a1%205_zps4ooey33s.jpg.html)

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/a1%204_zpsy2innzhc.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/a1%204_zpsy2innzhc.jpg.html)

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/a1%202_zpsxehmc57l.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/a1%202_zpsxehmc57l.jpg.html)

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Fries_N_ketchup
31st March 2015, 01:17
It's looking good. Have to check the measurements with my setup. Seat, bars, ignition switch etc.

I must say I'm very excited about this. Can't wait to see it in person.

maltesefalcon
31st March 2015, 02:37
If I can be forgiven one bad pun:

Infernal coating can be provided by Singe Precision

Fries_N_ketchup
14th April 2015, 02:35
I've been talking things over with Singh, he needed a picture of my bike without the tank. I gave him that along with measurements and visual aids to enhance the process. Singh said that was what he needed to weld the bottom of the tank etc. he said he would post pictures on here soon. So, things are looking like they are coming along nicely. So far, so good.

hmiller
14th April 2015, 13:35
Good to hear. I was just looking for an update on this yesterday!

I had been in touch with Singh as well but had to hold off on a tank because of needing a new roof.

Proteus
14th April 2015, 14:55
Singh Precision was also known as Singh Saddleries, he has built wonderful tractor seats/buddy seats for big twins/Indians and other Vulcans/Drifters.

https://www.facebook.com/singh.saddleries

Or maybe I'm wrong and it's not the same people?

Fries_N_ketchup
23rd April 2015, 04:06
I believe them to be one in the same. I could be mistaken, but that is my understanding.

To be truthfully honest, I'm am feeling concern over this gas tank. Considering this is a custom, one off job Im using my uber patience and understanding. :)

Communication is sporadic but emails do come in.

Would anyone in my position not feel just a tad bit nervous about this?

I'm sure it's nothing and it will all clear up. I'm Just a wee bit worried.

hmiller
30th April 2015, 20:07
Have you heard anything else from Singh?

Singh Precisions
30th April 2015, 21:55
Hey All,

" Proteus - Singh Precision was also known as Singh Saddleries "

Yes indeed. Singh Saddleries is the sister concern of Singh Precisions.
We also do custom leather work and offer the worlds Largest collection of classic solo springer seats.
Take a look - https://www.facebook.com/singh.saddleries

Other than that, all my Cafe seat's leather upholstery is also all Custom dyed and hand stitched. Here are some pics -
http://singh-precisions.com/product/leather-suede-upholstery-options/


"Fries_N_ketchup - I'm Just a wee bit worried "

No need to worry brother :)
Your tank is all set. The pics are attached. Please take a look and let me know how you like it.

Regards
Singh (aka Singe) :)
www.singh-precisions.com

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/HD1%203_zpsrmqsf558.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/HD1%203_zpsrmqsf558.jpg.html)

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hmiller
30th April 2015, 22:02
Singh, how about a picture of the bottom?

Fries_N_ketchup
30th April 2015, 23:41
I heard from Singh yesterday night. Said the tank was pretty much complete and that he wanted to know if I was happy with the shape etc.

I'm satisfied with the overall shape.

I was thinking the part that meets up with the seat may be too wide as my burly brand seat is kind of narrow there. But I realized that my carb and air cleaner set up is huge and sticks out from the bike quite far. The width of this I feel would make the bike more proportionate, hence looking good. :)

I also inquired about a leather tank bib similar to the mustang one I have already. Since I can't buy one off the shelf, the time to get one made is now. I need room for an eye glass case and a cell phone, maybe a plastic kickstand platform aswell. Of course, it must be black. Don't know on price for that, but I asked. See what become of it.

For everyone who doesn't know, I asked for the tank to be brushed because I plan to paint it. Err, have it painted. Polishing costs extra, get it? Lol

Having extra fuel capacity while not adding too much extra weight and maintaining the cafe style is the whole reason for this venture. I gotta say, this is a pretty involved process. Measuring, knowing what you want. Having the capital to get it done etc. this is not for the faint of heart. Even after I get the tank I still have to weld the mounting taps on and make sure everything works together in harmony. Singh seems to be a stand up guy, but just know how involved this all is before you jump the gun and buy one of these lovely tanks.

ratfink56
1st May 2015, 00:35
I'm concerned that the pics only show the right side. No left side and no bottom views.
What I can see looks good.

Proteus
3rd May 2015, 18:51
Singh Saddleries is the sister concern of Singh Precisions.
We also do custom leather work and offer the worlds Largest collection of classic solo springer seats.
Take a look - https://www.facebook.com/singh.saddleries

A few years back, I intended to order you a seat, but as I'm not (and never will be) connected to facebook, I didn't have access to see pics of your production.

I ordered my seat somewhere else in India, and I have to say I'm really happy with it!

Regards,

Proteus

Fries_N_ketchup
9th May 2015, 00:35
Singh has been in contact with me. He has just about finished the tank and i am expecting pictures of the leather tank bib tonight. That's all I have for now.

Fries_N_ketchup
10th May 2015, 14:47
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1500x1200q90/540/KegjGp.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/f0KegjGpj)


thats the new tank bib Singh made for me. Eyeglass pocket and cell phone pocket. Looks nice eh?

Singh Precisions
14th May 2015, 22:51
Hey All,

Quick Update - 'Fies & Ketchup' asked for some changes in regard to the Tank's fuel capacity. I am in the process of tweaking the tank's capacity, will post pics once i am done, by next week.
Attached is a pic of the tank prior to the fuel capacity mods.

Thanks
Singh

www.singh-precisions.com
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hmiller
24th June 2015, 21:58
Any progress from Singh?

Singh Precisions
24th June 2015, 23:48
Hey hmiller,

Neil has asked for some changes to the tank. I am doing the mods, will post all pics here once i am done.

Meanwhile, here are some pics of my Sportster EFI Cafe kit .. how does it look ??



http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/L%2018_zpsmhkkbtj2.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/L%2018_zpsmhkkbtj2.jpg.html)

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/L%2019_zpsotgmqb03.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/L%2019_zpsotgmqb03.jpg.html)

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww233/Singh_precisions/T_zpsnrfyw4sz.jpg (http://s723.photobucket.com/user/Singh_precisions/media/T_zpsnrfyw4sz.jpg.html)

Fries_N_ketchup
25th June 2015, 01:39
I received a template from Singh, there are some fitment issues that Singh is working on. I am expecting a revised template sometime soon.

Nothing else to add at this time.

Proteus
25th June 2015, 10:39
@ Singh,

The only Problem I see is the filling cap being on the wrong site, the kit itself looks really good

jharback
25th June 2015, 11:08
@ Singh,

The only Problem I see is the filling cap being on the wrong site, the kit itself looks really good

Well, it would certainly keep a newbie from over filling it. :)

Fries_N_ketchup
11th July 2015, 19:47
Singh has sent pictures of the new template that addressed issues I had with fitment. I'll let everyone know how it fits.

tomaso
10th August 2015, 09:30
is there any news?

Fries_N_ketchup
10th August 2015, 23:24
is there any news?

Yes there is!

So from what I can gather, his test fit bike is an 04 and up style rubber mount frame. Mine is an 03 and down rigid. There are many differences which proved to be a challenge. The back and forth communication was measuring, taking pictures, emails and going over style vs function. This is not easy and it is time consuming.

I have received pictures of the latest style of tank, it's the right length and width, just going over the frame tunnel size now.

Once that is complete, there is finishing and coating the tank left. I would think.

tomaso
11th August 2015, 05:50
thanks for the update! a professional needs about 20 to 30 hours of labour time to fabricate a tank from Aluminium; you placed your order nearly five months ago; a long journey...

Tof851
11th August 2015, 18:58
Just try to buy one from "The tank shop"... You'll see that hours can become months, months become years...
A custom work with no test bike is a real PITA, and there's no way to do it well in a short time.

Singh Precisions
12th August 2015, 21:00
Custom Projects -Thats True, It becomes challenging if i do not have my client's bike or frame to work on. In this project for Neil (Fries & Ketchup) we had to make sure the tank is a replica of the Lyta Norton tank, is the same length as the original tank (20 inches), fits all stock mounts and holds 4+ gallons of fuel. I had to custom make steel templates of the tank first, send them to Neil so that he could check them on his Sportster and revert back.
Anyhow, Neil's tank is all set. I should be able to post final pics this weekend. After that, Neil may post an update once he gets the tank.

EFI Sportsters - The EFI Sportster cafe kits i offer are already in stock and well tested over my Sportsters. I have a 2013 Iron & 2014 Superlow for testing my Alloy Cafe kits, so EFI sportster projects take lesser time.

see pics here -

http://singh-precisions.com/services-category/harley-sportster/

Tank Shop - They have been in business for as long as i can remember. But just like every other custom tank maker, are busy as always. Do send them a message to find out the lead time on a custom Harley alloy tank. I will be surprised if its less than 12 months.

Regards
Singh
www.singh-precisions.com


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Fries_N_ketchup
20th August 2015, 22:50
Tank is completed. It has been shipped to me. Pics when it arrives. I believe the leather tank bib is included as well.

That is all.

Fries_N_ketchup
13th September 2015, 16:49
I moved. Everything is chaos. Sorry for the late reply.

Got the tank. No problems. It's not perfectly symmetrical. But I expect that from anything hand made. There are no mounting tabs as the fitment is all experimental. it's held in place by spit and wishes for the picture.

This is a cell phone upload. Quality will suffer.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1500x1000q90/537/PwGAlu.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/exPwGAluj)

ChinCactus
13th September 2015, 16:56
Cool looking! Do you have to send it back for the mounting tabs?

Fries_N_ketchup
13th September 2015, 17:15
I could send it back for mounting tabs but I may not do that simply because of the inconvenience of it. There is a shop near me that could sort it out in a weekend. Having the bike there plus the tank makes for an expedient conclusion.

I recommend Singh for his work as an afordable alternative for custom tanks.

ratfink56
13th September 2015, 18:31
Glad to see you got it. Not sure I have the patience. Looks good.

Fries_N_ketchup
13th September 2015, 20:07
My project is a long term affair, so waiting doesn't make me cross. If you are in a hurry, places in NYC ad CA would be happy to bang you out a tank in 30 days and charge somewhere north of 2k. Some may be steel, others aluminum. Fit and finish maybe be slightly better. But it's too rich for my blood. Choose what you think is best.

Ranchero50
13th September 2015, 21:50
Tank looks pretty good. It's a shame it's not symmetrical though. That takes time and labor costs are pretty low for the craftsmanship overseas so I would expect it to be correct at that price point.

Did it incorporate the overflow drain or any other safety features?

Fries_N_ketchup
13th September 2015, 22:43
There is a hole in the bottom of the tank and it is threaded to accept a brass threaded elbow that came with it. There is a rectangles plate welded in place presumably for service or to change the petcock type with minimal fuss. Other than that I know of no other features. I don't even know if the aero cap is ventilated. I should have asked that. It does lock though.

Leather work is top notch. The Lamb skin is flawless.

Ranchero50
13th September 2015, 23:32
I was more curious about the internal overflow drain with the new cap. Making a tank air tight doesn't work well.

Fries_N_ketchup
14th September 2015, 00:29
As far as I can tell, it doesn't have that feature. If there was I'd expect an over flow nipple on the tank somewhere like on a stock tank. Stock tanks are around 400 in new-old stock form, that is. This tank was about 500-600ish to my door. Factor that in.

sportxlh
14th September 2015, 15:04
Fries: I've been following your interesting thread. Looks like the tank turned out well and you're happy with it. Any chance you can post a few more pix with the tank sitting on the bike.... like a direct side view and maybe a top view where you can see the lack of uniformity. The tank looks really nice in the picture you posted.

Fries_N_ketchup
14th September 2015, 17:01
Expect a mass picture dump sometime this week. I have limited internet access due to moving. Pictures are coming, I promise. :)

Ranchero50
14th September 2015, 17:10
Any chance you can post a few more pix with the tank sitting on the bike.... like a direct side view and maybe a top view where you can see the lack of uniformity.

Typically it's really hard to see symmetry problems in pictures. On my fairing project they show up when I move my head around while looking at one spot or run my fingertips across the metal side to side. Hand metal forming is pretty difficult and has a definite skill set to do it correctly. If I ever get my fairing where I want it I'll do a new rear fender and then maybe a tank. I did my fairing free hand but will do the fender with a buck, the same for the tank. The wooden buck will help keep the form consistent side to side. Modern mass production uses a series of die stamping to take the sheet to the final form over several impressions.

Fries_N_ketchup
14th September 2015, 23:21
I'll take more pictures later. Some are from Singh himself, but most are mine. The front of the tank near the steering stem, the bulge is slightly bigger on one side. Maybe by a half inch or inch and one half. It's not much. I don't know how well the pictures show it but this is the best I can do for now. More later.






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Fries_N_ketchup
14th September 2015, 23:25
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1500x1200q90/913/z7eVha.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/pdz7eVhaj)

Singh Precisions
21st September 2015, 13:54
The Aircraft filler cap is ventilated, no need of an external vent.