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Cosmo Kramer 6th December 2009 06:20

ECM Relocation Options Thread
 
I think it is just because riding season has ended for some of us northern folks...but seems like we are getting more and more questions about relocating the dreaded ECM on 07'-09' models. So I figured I would start a thread and try to combine everything that I have seen out there into one nice spot so people can view everything on the table and most importantly so I don't have to look all over God's creation trying to find where I saw something! ;) If someone knows of other options or threads I missed PLEASE add on or make comments! Thanks!

So here we go:

This is from "eNightster":

http://xlforum.net/photopost/waterma...e=39457&size=1
http://xlforum.net/photopost/watermark.php?file=39458
http://xlforum.net/photopost/watermark.php?file=39459

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=419682
http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=418093

This is from "Micheletti" (an addition to what eNightster did):

Didn't find any pics...maybe Micheletti can get some for us.

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=510685

This is from "Jorg":

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1200021016

http://www.xlforum.net/vbportal/foru...d.php?t=140585

This is from "Slackster":

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...s/101_0168.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s....php?p=1776736

This is from me, "Cosmo Kramer":

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...p/100_1013.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=482796

This is from "Pharcas":

FYI, this set-up also relocated the PCIII under the battery cover

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/P5291513.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=428248

This is from "LuckyB":

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/k...kyb101/004.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...=328780&page=4

This is from "Krypto":

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...g?t=1225511015

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=348924

I know there is more out there....but I need to get some sleep! I'll add more as soon as I can track them down. If possible, please try and provide a picture and link to the thread or a write-up so we can visually see and know what you did. Thanks!

BMXATV 6th December 2009 13:24

this is awesome cosmo, thanks for taking the time to put it all in one place! i'm gonna have my work cut out for me this winter and this should ease the pain a bit by not making me have to look all over this site for ideas.

tnt0303 6th December 2009 14:10

thanks cosmo, i'm trying to come up with something myself. i'll post pics if and when i get something

Cosmo Kramer 6th December 2009 15:54

Here is an option that is on ebay that hides the ECM under the spring seat...I know others have done something similiar (they molded a fiberglass cover to cover the ecm and frame opening under the seat if anyone remembers and can post the link to the thread) and I'll try to find those pics/threads too.

Anywho...this may give some guys another option / idea:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...p/ebayseat.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2.../ebayseat3.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2.../ebayseat2.jpg

Here is a link to the seller's store (don't want to link an auction cause I think after a while the link will be dead after the auction has ended):
http://stores.ebay.com/motheroadcustoms66

Here is a thread from Nightkid3 showing this kit on his bike:

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=579626

BMXATV 6th December 2009 22:28

just bought one of these cosmo. however, i lifted my seat and i also have the main wiring harness under there and the security module in the tray along w/ my pcII. im think'n i'll put my pcIII (which btw is tethered off of my ecm with enough slack) in the battery tray. the lil security modeule i can hide either under the seat pan or behind the oil bag. the mian wiring harness however, i'm not too sure about. i'm hoping that the seat pan has enough room between the pan and the frame to keep it under there or i'm gonna have to find somehwre to put it.

Cosmo Kramer 7th December 2009 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMXATV (Post 2318464)
just bought one of these cosmo. however, i lifted my seat and i also have the main wiring harness under there and the security module in the tray along w/ my pcII. im think'n i'll put my pcIII (which btw is tethered off of my ecm with enough slack) in the battery tray. the lil security modeule i can hide either under the seat pan or behind the oil bag. the mian wiring harness however, i'm not too sure about. i'm hoping that the seat pan has enough room between the pan and the frame to keep it under there or i'm gonna have to find somehwre to put it.

BMX, check out the last relocation on the first post. I am trying to add as much as I can to that first post so people don't have to search all the pages of this thread. Anywho....Pharcas relocated his PCIII under the battery cover also.

From the pics of that spring seat from ebay....it looks like it sits slightly above if not flush with the top of the frame rails. If you look at the bottom of the stock seat....there is no cut out so I think you'll have just as much room if not more with that spring seat set-up under that cover. Note that I said "think"...don't know for sure but just from looking at it thats what I can see.

BMXATV 7th December 2009 01:01

the cover on that kit only fits the ecm under the seat and that's it. i've already confirmed that. i hope i'm able to just squash the main harness under the seat kit pan kind of like the stock seat does and bolt it on. pull the battery, run the pcII in there, replace battery, done. hopefully!

snowman 7th December 2009 01:04

Rep for putting this together CK!!!:banana:banana:banana

Virus883 10th January 2010 17:59

Thanks a lot man, it's good to have it all together. I'm puting a spring seat this winter, this will help.

hunter_aran 11th January 2010 04:05

Thanks alot Cosmo! This really helps as I'm getting ready to have this relocation done as well. Excuse my ignorance, but how necessary was it to use that bracket you created from the piece you cut off the battery bracket? I mean, I am understanding correctly that it just holds the ECM and battery in place like others' zip tie solution does, just a more solid solution? Or was it necessary to really keep things immobile in there? I am wondering because, how you drilled it into the frame, it may be visible if using a spring seat which I am debating on doing now... :doh

vettelover84 11th January 2010 04:19

Great job!! If it ever comes to this I will know where to look!!:geek

Cosmo Kramer 16th January 2010 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter_aran (Post 2377247)
Thanks alot Cosmo! This really helps as I'm getting ready to have this relocation done as well. Excuse my ignorance, but how necessary was it to use that bracket you created from the piece you cut off the battery bracket? I mean, I am understanding correctly that it just holds the ECM and battery in place like others' zip tie solution does, just a more solid solution? Or was it necessary to really keep things immobile in there? I am wondering because, how you drilled it into the frame, it may be visible if using a spring seat which I am debating on doing now... :doh

Sorry for the delay in responding to your question Aran. The bracket I formed serves three purposes.

1). You mentioned the first....it holds the ECM to the battery.

2). More importantly after it goes over the ECM it comes down on top of the battery to put downward pressure on the battery to keep it immobile in the tray. Vibration is typically bad for batteries.

3). With modifying the battery tray like I did the old bracket was cut-off in the process....plus the battery has another 1/4" of lateral movement on the tray...so I wanted to make sure I contained the battery onto the tray again.

There are probably a lot of different alternatives then what I did....but I am not running a spring seat so I wasn't worried about appearance under the seat like you will be.

Hope this helps....and my $0.02....I would put something in there to keep that battery from bouncing around.

Cosmo Kramer 17th January 2010 00:31

This is from "Hibb5337":

Keep in mind when you are looking at Hibb's work that he did a major rewire job to accomplish what you see:

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t/IMG_8005.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t/IMG_8006.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/y...t/IMG_8007.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...07#post2385807

andweagree 31st January 2010 04:29

Has anyone tried getting the harness that holds the ecm in place on the new 09-10 bikes and installing it on 08 and prior models? Just wondering if it would be an easier solution.

Cosmo Kramer 1st February 2010 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by andweagree (Post 2415219)
Has anyone tried getting the harness that holds the ecm in place on the new 09-10 bikes and installing it on 08 and prior models? Just wondering if it would be an easier solution.

Andweagree, I am pretty sure it is a redesigned ECM on the 2010 bikes so I don't think it is just a matter of getting the new plastic (:doh) ECM bracket and mounting the ECM. "Pharcas" mounted his ECM similiar if you look on the first post of this thread. Although if it was me I would have probably put it into some water-tight case if I were to locate it there....but haven't heard if he has had any issues or not.

vwcampbell 1st February 2010 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2418276)
"Pharcas" mounted his ECM similiar if you look on the first post of this thread. Although if it was me I would have probably put it into some water-tight case if I were to locate it there....but haven't heard if he has had any issues or not.

I believe he said he never had a problem after riding all summer like that....read it somewhere on one of these threads.

Vassago 1st February 2010 15:38

I moved mine to behind the battery cover, it took like 20 min. EASY change.

Cosmo Kramer 1st February 2010 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwcampbell (Post 2418324)
I believe he said he never had a problem after riding all summer like that....read it somewhere on one of these threads.

VW, now that you mention it....I do remember seeing him post that! Thanks for jogging my memory! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vassago (Post 2418415)
I moved mine to under the battery tray, it took like 20 min. EASY change.

Vassago, didn't even think about under the tray...I just remember a sea of bolts and brackets under there....care to share some pics and info on what you did?

Vassago 1st February 2010 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2418726)
VW, now that you mention it....I do remember seeing him post that! Thanks for jogging my memory! ;)



Vassago, didn't even think about under the tray...I just remember a sea of bolts and brackets under there....care to share some pics and info on what you did?

screwed up on typing meant to say behind the battery cover. Sorry for getting everyone’s hopes up as to maybe finding a new place but no I did it just like everyone else. I just typed it in wrong, I will go back and edit my original message. Although I did see a thread a couple days ago about maybe a smaller battery. That would definitely solve a lot of the problems if the battery was small enough to allow room for the ECM and battery in the existing location. Then we wouldn’t need to zip tip our covers shut.

andweagree 17th February 2010 15:27

One of the parts guys called Harley to see if this was possible ( relocating using the new bracket), they said it was but you would need to buy a new wiring harness as well... this is what the bracket attaches to. Since the wiring harness is $500 I'm going to say it's not worth the investment when you can do it for free. Has anyone done this with a fuelpak? I'm not able to get to my bike for another couple weeks and don't know whether this will work with that in the way. Thanks

otis 18th February 2010 02:53

THANX for this bro, make life alot easyer, now i have less time plaining and more time for drinking. cause up here in norther canada there no riding going on. lol but thanx alot got my coil and ign. relocation done tonight now its to the ecm

Cosmo Kramer 18th February 2010 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by otis (Post 2449927)
now i have less time plaining and more time for drinking.

I should say that this thread was not created for the endorsement of the increased consumption of adult beverages....but it if helps you out...I'm good with it! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by andweagree (Post 2449211)
One of the parts guys called Harley to see if this was possible ( relocating using the new bracket), they said it was but you would need to buy a new wiring harness as well... this is what the bracket attaches to.

Hmm....I know you are just passing long info from the dealer....but I don't quite follow. I should say this isn't the first time. :laugh I thought the 2010 had a newly designed ECM also?? Secondly, the bracket should attach to the backbone not the wiring harness. So if my assumptions are right...then it would be a new ECM, bracket and I am thinking a new connector assembly to mate the old wiring harness to the new ECM (figuring it doesn't use the same connector as in 07-09')

Quote:

Originally Posted by andweagree (Post 2449211)
Has anyone done this with a fuelpak? I'm not able to get to my bike for another couple weeks and don't know whether this will work with that in the way. Thanks

My relocation was with a fuelpak....however I did some other mods that really do not relate to your situation. I am pretty sure others have done it with the Fuelpak and stock wiring but I would have to do some major searching to find it again. My suggestion is to follow the first link in Post #1...."Enightster's". Pay close attention to how he has the ECM harness/wires running between the battery and the oil tank. I would leave the two main connectors where they are at based on V&H's recommendation/installation instructions (under the V in the frame and above the battery)...run the harness like "Enightster" did to the ECM. The actual control box for the V&H unit...I would probably but under the seat.

Cosmo Kramer 10th March 2010 10:13

This is from "Howardpowered":

Thanks to Howardpowered for the heads-up on the ECM relo he did. :clap

A great alternative which utilizes a smaller battery (see link to post below for more info) and allows room for the ECM to be relocated on top of the battery. Hopefully the battery he uses will last just as long as a stocker.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...batteryecm.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...allbattery.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...hreadid=745427

Cosmo Kramer 10th March 2010 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by andweagree (Post 2449211)
One of the parts guys called Harley to see if this was possible ( relocating using the new bracket), they said it was but you would need to buy a new wiring harness as well... this is what the bracket attaches to. Since the wiring harness is $500 I'm going to say it's not worth the investment when you can do it for free. Has anyone done this with a fuelpak? I'm not able to get to my bike for another couple weeks and don't know whether this will work with that in the way. Thanks

Sorry Andweagree....I didn't see this post. This doesn't make sense. I highly doubt that the new ECM bracket is mounted to the wiring harness itself....I am 99.99% sure it is attached to the backbone above the tranny just like the 07'-09' fuse block/wiring harness holder is...although I have been wrong before even with that high confidence rating. ;) The last thing you design for is for something to hang off electrical wires....esp. a fairly heavy ECM.

However, I thought the ECM itself was redesigned for 2010 (not just the location of it). So if they say that the 07'-09' ECM wouldn't fit in the new bracket and you need the new ECM too I could understand that. Assuming this is true....as long as the wiring is the same going to the ECM for 2010...you could buy the bracket, the new ECM and the connector assembly for the new ECM and rewire to that connector if you really wanted to go that way. A lot of work....but it can be done.

Kirk the Jerk 28th March 2010 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2489105)
This is from "Howardpowered":

Thanks to Howardpowered for the heads-up on the ECM relo he did. :clap

A great alternative which utilizes a smaller battery (see link to post below for more info) and allows room for the ECM to be relocated on top of the battery. Hopefully the battery he uses will last just as long as a stocker.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...batteryecm.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...allbattery.jpg

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...hreadid=745427

Just wanted to add my two cents to the "smaller battery" mod. I found that battery is a common replacement for the Hayabusa (GSXR1300R). Not sure which years specifically, but when I do a search, I can normally turn up 2 or t3, and one will usually be around 4.5" tall, rather than the stock 5.75". I got mine from Interstate Battery. And if you get creative with re-wiring your positive and negative cables, you can run the stock ones.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...oveBattery.jpg


Also, I've found that the ECM fits better angled upward like that, which puts plenty of room between the aluminum case of the ECM and the terminals, although, I am planning on getting some rubber for the bottom of the ECM.

Thanks to those members who already did the grunt-work on this one. :clap

Simplest relocation yet.

BgrMaine 3rd April 2010 14:00

One thing I would be aware of with the smaller battery mod is the cold cranking amps of the replacement. The stocker has 200 cca, the batteriesplus replacement I used has 225 cca. The interstate battery that Kirk used only has 175 cca. In warm weather and easy starting bikes, it's not as critical, but I've been riding to work every morning at 20-35 degrees. Everything is cold and slow to start. The more cca's the better!

Kirk the Jerk 3rd April 2010 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by BgrMaine (Post 2536325)
One thing I would be aware of with the smaller battery mod is the cold cranking amps of the replacement. The stocker has 200 cca, the batteriesplus replacement I used has 225 cca. The interstate battery that Kirk used only has 175 cca. In warm weather and easy starting bikes, it's not as critical, but I've been riding to work every morning at 20-35 degrees. Everything is cold and slow to start. The more cca's the better!

I would be worried about it if I lived in the Northeast, but I live in Texas, and VERY rarely do I ever ride in below freezing weather.

jeffy 3rd April 2010 21:58

i ahve purchased the 2010 ecm "bracket" and cover i havent yet tried to fit it but i will keep everyone posted. the only problem i seem to be mentally running into is where to relocate all my pc3 stuff even if i can get the ecm situation figured out.

deadman 9th April 2010 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffy (Post 2536650)
i ahve purchased the 2010 ecm "bracket" and cover i havent yet tried to fit it but i will keep everyone posted. the only problem i seem to be mentally running into is where to relocate all my pc3 stuff even if i can get the ecm situation figured out.

do you have a part # for that bracket? I'm having some trouble finding the part #. send me a message if you know it.

Cosmo Kramer 9th April 2010 04:43

Is it the same ECM from 07'-09' and 2010 models? For some reason I thought it was different and that bracket wouldn't work for pre-2010 models.

deadman 9th April 2010 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2547924)
Is it the same ECM from 07'-09' and 2010 models? For some reason I thought it was different and that bracket wouldn't work for pre-2010 models.

I have an 07... i am trying to feel out the diffrent options before I start the spring seat mod. I have found an awsome way to hide the hole in the fender though. A dude with MOTHERROADCUSTOMS on ebay makes a p-pad that runs from the normal rear mount to the forward seat mount bolt in front if the hole... looks good too! I have that and a matching snub nose seat, but still gotta mount it. I will drop some pics when im finished.:smoke

screwlord 26th May 2010 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2318185)
Here is an option that is on ebay that hides the ECM under the spring seat...I know others have done something similiar (they molded a fiberglass cover to cover the ecm and frame opening under the seat if anyone remembers and can post the link to the thread) and I'll try to find those pics/threads too.

Anywho...this may give some guys another option / idea:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2...p/ebayseat.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2.../ebayseat3.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2.../ebayseat2.jpg

Here is a link to the seller's store (don't want to link an auction cause I think after a while the link will be dead after the auction has ended):
http://stores.ebay.com/motheroadcustoms66

Here is a thread from Nightkid3 showing this kit on his bike:

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=579626

thats a great solution:wonderlan

deadman 26th May 2010 19:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwlord (Post 2643248)
thats a great solution:wonderlan

It is funny you should post this; I bought this not knowing if it would look good, It is totally awesome! The guy is easy to work with and is fast to ship. I had him make me a seat and p-pad to cover the ECM hole in the fender on my 07' it looks killer, I will get some pics up here when I get home... for reference material:smoke

screwlord 27th May 2010 08:31

hi,

nice thread,great solutions.

one question for that springseat solution from ebay.
is anybody try this solution with a pc V?

it looks that after replacing the ecm in that black box there is enough space under the seat mounting base plate.

anyone agree with me or did i misinterpret the pictures?

regards from germany, screw

screwlord 27th May 2010 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadman (Post 2643525)
It is funny you should post this; I bought this not knowing if it would look good, It is totally awesome! The guy is easy to work with and is fast to ship. I had him make me a seat and p-pad to cover the ECM hole in the fender on my 07' it looks killer, I will get some pics up here when I get home... for reference material:smoke

yes man,pls show me the pictures?:banadanc
do you have an powercommander also installed?

deadman 30th May 2010 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwlord (Post 2645077)
yes man,pls show me the pictures?:banadanc
do you have an powercommander also installed?

I do not have a powercommander. It is just the ECM that goes under the seat. I dont think there would be room in the box under the seat for that, but you could find room under the battery cover tin for it.

Cosmo Kramer 31st May 2010 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwlord (Post 2645075)
it looks that after replacing the ecm in that black box there is enough space under the seat mounting base plate.

anyone agree with me or did i misinterpret the pictures?

Screw....I think what you are missing is the ECM to PC connector that is gonna take up all of that space under the seat pan.

Check out "Phracas" link (also provided in Post #1):
http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=428248

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/P5291517.jpg

....you can see the big connector that he put next to the battery. With that connector under the seat pan....I would think that you could put the PC next to the battery and still be able to close the battery cover. Just my opinion.

screwlord 31st May 2010 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 2651381)
Screw....I think what you are missing is the ECM to PC connector that is gonna take up all of that space under the seat pan.

Check out "Phracas" link (also provided in Post #1):
http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=428248


....you can see the big connector that he put next to the battery. With that connector under the seat pan....I would think that you could put the PC next to the battery and still be able to close the battery cover. Just my opinion.


i will try it. i order the seat today and the pc v is already in my garage.

i am not shure which seat i take.


that(Blk Tuck Seat):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

or that(the blk veg tan):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harle...Q5fAccessories


regards

atiredwing 31st May 2010 14:34

Wow, I just zip tied mine under the solo seat and added a skirt to the seat in order to try and conceal it some. Here ar a couple of pics, will get some better ones and post them soon.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...&id=1526618298

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...=1167646401116

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...=1167646361115

screwlord 1st June 2010 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by atiredwing (Post 2652576)
Wow, I just zip tied mine under the solo seat and added a skirt to the seat in order to try and conceal it some. Here ar a couple of pics, will get some better ones and post them soon.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...&id=1526618298

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...=1167646401116

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...=1167646361115

sorry but from here the links didnt work:geek


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