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2wheeltodd 16th April 2005 04:12

Harley vs. Yamaha (wannabe?)
 
I pull into this gas station to put the 12 dollars into my 4 gallon tank, and this guy pulls into the pump space in front of me. I can't hear his bike so I am thinking he's riding a Japanese something or other. I mind my own business, give the guy a nod, and fill the tank. I turn to go pay the attendant, and this guy is standing on the curb looking at my bike and says.."That looks like a new Sportster, when did you get it?" I was kind of in a hurry and did'nt feel much like talking to this guy, but I humored him and told him I picked it up in February. He points over to his bike and says that he also picked up his bike in February, he says he has always really wanted a Harley, but said they were way too expensive, he goes on, and on about Harley this and Yamaha that, and what a SMART decision he felt he made on purchasing his Yamaha 750 cruiser. Then he says "it's the same thing as a Harley." (I could barely hold back, when he drops the bomb, and says "yea and for 10 grand I could'nt go wrong.") As I was starting my 1200 I was respectful and said, "yea YOU could'nt go wrong, but did you ever price a Harley?" - True story.

Deicer18 16th April 2005 04:34

Before I bought my bike, a (good) friend of mine had his nephew call me trying to sell his Kawasaki. He couldn't give me a good reason for buying it, just kept telling me that my harley would shake apart before the warranty expired. Told me that all I was getting was a "name" and nothing else. I was polite to the nephew and declined his offer to sell me his peice of sh :censor it but I called my (good) friend and read him the riot act.

I hate it when anyone cuts someone else's choice. I would have never done that and didn't appreciate it 1 bit. Needless to say, that (good) friend is not so good now.

jwb47 16th April 2005 05:26

it never ceases to amaze me that people just assume some fictional price difference. when I was looking to trade bikes i actually traded cheaper with h-d than what I could of traded with honda on a vtx 1300 they wanted my bike and 6300 for a new vtx and I traded with harley for my bike and 5400. if you compare the ultra glide to the gold wing there is no difference in price both dressed out 21,000. the big difference is when you compare a 750 to a soft tail or dyna. sure they cost twice as much but the have twice the displacement. but alot of people have on rose colored glasses and always compare apples to oranges.

Barry Clark 16th April 2005 06:22

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Originally Posted by jwb47
it never ceases to amaze me that people just assume some fictional price difference. when I was looking to trade bikes i actually traded cheaper with h-d than what I could of traded with honda on a vtx 1300 they wanted my bike and 6300 for a new vtx and I traded with harley for my bike and 5400. if you compare the ultra glide to the gold wing there is no difference in price both dressed out 21,000. the big difference is when you compare a 750 to a soft tail or dyna. sure they cost twice as much but the have twice the displacement. but alot of people have on rose colored glasses and always compare apples to oranges.

Not to mention that the VTX 1300's are pigs. When I was out shopping, I knew I wanted a sporty but I shopped about. I have owned older Hondas such as the fabled 70's CB models. I liked those bikes and still do. I got to talking to the sales guy and he went on about how the vtx will out-perform the sportster out of the box any day. Get it on the highway and then you will really see the light with a VTx he says. I say, so let me take it for a spin. Oh no, he says. The guys at HD said pick one and take off. I did and they got my business. At the time, I had no way of knowing whether or not the VTX was more of what I wanted but the guys at Earl Small's let me find out before I put myself in debt to them. Soon after I got the Sporty, I came up next to a guy on a VTX who really didn't seem to like me or the Sporty. At the time, my Sporty was not running the way she is now. The previous owner did some seriously performance hindering mod's to it and that is how it sat when I was next to the VTX. He snapped the throttle and I could barely heat him. hehe. When the stoplights perpendicular to us turned yellow. He leaned forward and gave the throttle a little hold and twist. I figured, why not. Even with my Sporty less than optimal (prolly less than showroom standard), I left this guy without issue. He never caught up. We were on a long stretch and I was going about 80 in no time. His went 80 in due time. hehe. Racing isn't something I normally do, but I thought this would be an opportunity to see what I passed on. I made the right choice. hehe.

Nu Viking 16th April 2005 07:32

I always fell, If the person wants a Yamaha then get a Yamaha and be proud of it. Comaring the bike that they purchased with a HD makes me think why didnt they get an older cheap bike to get them in the wind till they could buy a Harley cause lets face it , its probley what they really want in the first place. I have never heard from a Harley owner that his bike is almost as good as a Honda and sounds alot like a Yamaha and nor does Mercedes care what a suzuki car costs

Barry Clark 16th April 2005 08:06

I hate it when people buy a bike they will have a complex about. I got the bike I wanted and the world can dislike it for all I care. None of that "I hope people don't think that I ride a girl's bike" mess. If I owned a Yamaha or whatever, there wouldn't be the "I Harley riders don't pick on me" just either. I bought my bike for me to ride. If someone don't like it, then they know what not to buy.

Takingabreak 16th April 2005 08:23

Hi All.

Well, In my life I have had a Honda, a Yamaha and a Suzuki. All of these bikes (Trail Bikes) were well built and ran great. The Only true street only bikes I have ever owned have ben Harley Sportsters, that and I like to keep an American in a job.
It's more of a comfort thing, I just can get comfy on a Rice rocket, but they still make some fine bikes.
If you want one of then, Good for you, one more rider on the road is one less cager I have to watch out for.

Chief4x4 16th April 2005 09:52

I am 50-something years old, I have wanted a Sportster since I was a teen.

I've got one now...

sfw
I'm happy & having a great time!

Chief 4x4

jwb47 16th April 2005 14:21

I wasnt trying to flame metric bikes , they make some good machines , but they break just the same as every thing else. I am just sick of hearing h-ds cost to much , I had rather ride than wrench , the way I see it if a person want to ride a metric then ride a metric or if you really want a different bike but cant afford it ride what you can and save your pennies so you can get that dream bike. I have rode for over 30 years and many bikes in between, and as far as I am concerned my new sporty gives me the most satisfaction of any I have had , no regrets and I sure as hell am not gonna appologise to anybody for my bike choice I wanted it and I spent my dollars to get it .

thunderpaw 16th April 2005 15:58

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one more rider on the road is one less cager I have to watch out for.
Amen!

Kim

Desertfox 16th April 2005 16:19

My youngest boy wants a BMW 1200 . I told him God blessya. You definately won't go wrong with it. He likes my Sporty but wants a beemer. Good for him.

ed_in_az 16th April 2005 18:39

Yamaha's were my machine of choice until I jumped ship to HD. They make great bikes. I am now converted to HDs.:clap 3,000rpms down the highway is music to my ears on my Sporty, and I'm cruising in comfort on a gorgeous machine. I compared performance and pricing before I switched from a Virago 535 to an '03 883. 1/4 mile and price were similar to an 1100 V-Star, but the 883 was a BEAUTY and the Yamaha was PIG(not a HOG). I wanted slim and sexy and it was fat and huge. I could have saved money overall buying Japanese since I wouldn't have been able to FIND $2,000 in add-ons to buy for it.:laugh

RatBastard 16th April 2005 20:55

I feel a motorcycle choice is like chosing a condom. Get one that has the features want, your choice of styling, and the color of your preference. A true friend will respect you for your choices and understand it is a personal choice. Clowns, salesmen, and competitors will line up to tell you are wrong.

RB

thunderpaw 17th April 2005 14:20

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I wouldn't have been able to FIND $2,000 in add-ons to buy for it.
lol, isn't THAT the truth! It's a disease that I thought I would be naturally immune to (cheapskate)...but n-o-o-o-o! :frownthre

Kim

Barry Clark 17th April 2005 15:31

I actually disagree. You can most definitely find aftermarket parts for not Harley bikes. This was some of the research that I did before I purchased. In fact, the add-ons were rather numerous but not from as many manufacturers. Also, the price of them tended to be FAR more steep. Any thing you see for a Harely, tag at least 10%-20% on to the price for a Honda or whatever. I was one of those things where you may think that you are saving a buck by going import but as soon you start to modify it, you are way over what you may have spent for a Harley. The problem is that the brands of import bikes are numerous and no two are even remotely similar so parts for all of them can be difficult to get even at the dealer. So there is no guarantee that you can find what you are looking for unless you are riding a popular model. Honestly, I think you can find more current year models with different engine types in Honda than you can likely find in the entire history of Harley. That isn't neccesarily a good thing but it definitely lends itself to aftermarket parts availability.

Barry Clark 17th April 2005 15:38

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Originally Posted by RatBastard
I feel a motorcycle choice is like chosing a condom. Get one that has the features want, your choice of styling, and the color of your preference.

You can even get a reservoir tip! :D

RatBastard 17th April 2005 20:11

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Originally Posted by Barry Clark

:yikes A truly sick individual! That's why this is my favorite forum.

wabiker 18th April 2005 22:11

...I wanted a harley I bought a harley. Didnt look at another brand, never considered another brand. bought the largest displacement I could afford...
A bone stock stripped down basic black XLH, been a learning experience ever since.....

jag1 19th April 2005 13:14

My neighbor has a v-max 600. He keeps it in my pole barn during the winter. I look it over whenever I get a chance. It doesn't compare to a harley. Theres alot of plastichrome on it and everything just looks cheap. Not to mention you have to remove the front exhaust pipe to change the oil filter (what kind of crap is that). But, to each his own. I'll keep my Harley!

Big_Baazzoo 26th April 2005 04:19

My buddy is looking to buy a bike now, and checking all the brands. He's a big guy, and wants a big bike, but he's never ridden a "street" bike yet. He kept extolling the virtues of the "wanna-bee's" and was just assuming a harley would be too expensive...he never even looked at a H-D. The "wanna-bee's" are not cheap! and, I may have convinced him to just go to H-D, there are choices below $15,000. I think he watched too many "Orange county chopper" shows and thought all harleys cost $30,000. His Jaw dropped when I told him he could have a really hot sportster for way less than $10,000, including some aftermarket goodies.

jade44V 26th April 2005 13:54

bikes
 
I started on a V-Star 650 (Yamaha), I didn't like it because it was a great big huge fat bike with a 650 engine and trying to haul that thing from lane to lane was exhausting. It looked pretty though, and then there's the rub; a lot of the "chrome" on it was actually plastic which pissed me off.

I agree you should get the bike you like and be proud of it. I liked the Kawasaki Vulcan Custom too, as far as the ride goes but nothing beats my Sporty!

XLFREAK 15th November 2005 03:36

a lot of people are getting the same if not more for there used harleys even 15 years old try finding a yamakasuki that will hold value like that.

Desertfox 15th November 2005 12:19

I have a buddy at work that just bought a V-Star Yamaha. Ostensibly because Harley's were too expensive (he says). When he pulls into work and parks next to me, I notice he sits on his V-Star for about five minutes , admiring my Sporty. I told him "It only costs a LITTLE more to go first class".

sawrecker 15th November 2005 14:28

yamaha doesn't make a 750 anymore.

TiBaal89 15th November 2005 15:07

haha I've got a guy at work who constantly tears apart Harley Touring bikes as overpriced piles. He wants a GoldWing. :roflblack

lefty 15th November 2005 15:22

cruiser, yes! - touring, I dunno. . .
 
:tour I'm a Harley fan (obviously, I own one). Never understood the metric Harley clones. Too much like poorly implemented, well, copies. On the other hand, I'm lusting for the Yamaha FJR 1300 sport tourer. A lot of bike for $13k, hard bags, trunk available, comfortable, 150 hp. Comfort at speed and the soul of a sportbike. The Japanese make some good scoots, just have no desire to consider their cruisers. Nobody even comes close to H-D on cruisers.

Lefty
I . . . . need . . . . .more . . . . .bikes. . . .

2wheeltodd 15th November 2005 17:11

It seems to me like a lot of metric cruiser buyers think that HD is too overpriced to consider buying, but I think there has got to be a little buyers remorse. The reality is that there small price difference when you compare option for option, and I think the real hit is at re-sale. I had a Honda guy tell me a that I was riding "money in the bank" weather or not that is true tells me a lot about the way he thinks. When is the last time you saw someone riding a metric and thought "That bike is really going to hold its value"? I am not saying a the metrics are a bad choice, we all know they are really well made machines, the point I guess is buy what you want, and don't put other riders down for what the're riding. (Unless the're WANNABES). I have nothing but respect for someone who takes pride in their ride and does'nt care what the other guy thinks!

mavinwy 15th November 2005 17:23

I ran Yamaha Street bikes for many years and many miles (over 200,000 on 3 bikes). I still like the shaft drive I had on both the SECA Turbo and the Viragos.

But when I went to replace the last Virago I had, afther they had been discontinued, and all I could find was the v-star series...I was disappointed. I test drove them. They just did not handle the way the older/lighter ones did.

So I shopped around and ended up with a 2002 1200c (900 miles on it) because it felt "right".

Price was not the issue, I could have bought a fully loaded GoldWing or Beemer had I desired. The fact was...I went with what fit me.

If more people did that, I think a lot more people would be happier with their bikes and keep them longer rather than trading them every couple of years.

FWIW...My wife rides sportbikes. It is what is comfortable for her. I don't complain about her choice either.

Mav

FSZEKE302 15th November 2005 17:26

A little off subject, my wife and I went to Dollywood/Pidgeon Forge last weekend. Saw a number of different cruisers, lots of Metrics and Harleys. What I did notice is that there were literally hundreds of people wearing Harley gear, caps, hats, jackets, shirts, pins, etc. What I didn't see was ANY metric gear. I usually see some Honda Goldwing jackets at least, but this trip, nothing. I'm not dissing anyones bike, but I'm curious, If these people are so proud of their bikes why don't they show it. I'm proud to own my Sportster and I show it. :tour

BonRu 15th November 2005 17:51

My Honey bought a Yamaha 1100 V-Star last summer. He really wanted a Harley Softail, but wasn't sure he'd ride that much, and couldn't see spending that kind of money for something to sit in the garage. He saw the Yammy and it had a lot of the same great looks as the Harley Softail he was eyeballing, but was half the price. He added some extras to the Yammy, including louder pipes and rejetting, and took it home. He loves riding, and loves his Yamaha. He's had the opportunity to get a Harley, but he said he has no problem riding his Yamaha until it's old or he's tired of it, and then he'll get the Harley he wants, now that he knows he'll ride it. He couldn't care less what others think of his Yamaha - he's the most non-materialistic man I know. I can't say the same for me. I wanted a Harley. I'm just pure evil. ;)

gearhead 15th November 2005 17:53

whoa, talk about digging up an old thread. I thought this looked familiar. I didnt add my .02 back then, but i'll say something now.

When I got my bike i was about 2 seconds from getting a shadow. I had pretty much talked myself out of waiting until I could afford the Harley(FXDL). My old bike had been out of commission for about 2 years and I was just tired of not riding. For some reason(grace of God) I decided to go ahead and get a Sportster. I had never even considered a sportster in the past. My old college roomate got an 04 a few months before and I finally got to see/ride it. I had been holding out for an FXDL, but riding his Sportster convinced me it was a pretty sweet bike. That made the Harley option a bit cheaper, so that is what I got. There is alot more to that story, but that's how I got my Sportster 1200.

It wasnt until I went to pick it up that I realized how awesome the bike was. If a part should be metal...it pretty much is. That's quality. From what I can see, It's not more expensive because it's a Harley(well maybe a little). It's more expensive because it's quality parts.

Was it a better choice than a Metric? Consider this. A buddy of mine bought an 1100 V-star something. We went to Daytona last year. His bike got about 34 mpg, mine got 49. The old roomate(has an 883) got 50mpg. The yamaha also had more plastic chrome parts than anything elsel. Think that will hold up?

So I payed a couple grand more than what he payed for the yamaha. Considering the quality of the parts...not just the engine, and the effeciency of the engine, I'd say it is a way better deal. Granted it is two different styles. You would have to get a fatboy for the same look, and that right there will add a few more grand(5ish) to the Harley purchase price. All I know is it pisses him off to no end his metric gets 15mpg less than mine. You would also think that quality Japanese engineering would be backed by a better warranty. It's 1yr vs the 2yr Harley standard.

Dont even get me started on resale...

-----added---

I don't look down on anyone for anybike. As a matter of fact I strongly discourage anyone from getting a Harley as thier first bike. Unless you can get it cheap and used. If your gonna learn, find a beater. Ride for a year or two. Then buy whatever feels right. Cant go wrong that way.

RideoutKSC 15th November 2005 18:45

My Sportster 1200r was and is my first bike (Excluding my 1982 honda PA-50 which I got in 7th grade and the thing is still mint). Being 21 and buying a Harley was honestly a difficult thing to do. I love the sound, the style, the chrome and the riding position. A LOT of people bust my balls, mostly stupid kids riding on rice rockets pulling wheelies. The most often asked question I get is "Why'd you buy a HArley?" Some people respect my choice, other's look down on me. But being on this forum, reading all the posts made by you guys everyday, makes me proud to be part of the Harley/Sportster family.
In my opinion, the difference between a metric cruiser and a harley isn't just the quality parts, take a look at the welds on the frame too. I compared my 04' sportster to my cousin's 04 VTX 1300 and my welds are cleaner than a baby's bottom. I think this is because the people who build harley's have been trained by the skilled worker's that have come before them. Most importantly, the difference between the metric's and harley's is plain to see. This web site, specifically tailored for sportster enthusiasts IS the difference, its our extended family ON and OFF the road.

my .02,
Rideout

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:03

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Originally Posted by 2wheeltodd
I pull into this gas station to put the 12 dollars into my 4 gallon tank, and this guy pulls into the pump space in front of me. I can't hear his bike so I am thinking he's riding a Japanese something or other. I mind my own business, give the guy a nod, and fill the tank. I turn to go pay the attendant, and this guy is standing on the curb looking at my bike and says.."That looks like a new Sportster, when did you get it?" I was kind of in a hurry and did'nt feel much like talking to this guy, but I humored him and told him I picked it up in February. He points over to his bike and says that he also picked up his bike in February, he says he has always really wanted a Harley, but said they were way too expensive, he goes on, and on about Harley this and Yamaha that, and what a SMART decision he felt he made on purchasing his Yamaha 750 cruiser. Then he says "it's the same thing as a Harley." (I could barely hold back, when he drops the bomb, and says "yea and for 10 grand I could'nt go wrong.") As I was starting my 1200 I was respectful and said, "yea YOU could'nt go wrong, but did you ever price a Harley?" - True story.

F respectful, stupid is as stupid does... he's a f'n wannabe, not cause he rides a Yamaha, but because he really WANTED a Harley and didn't even educate himself... dork.

rlstone 15th November 2005 19:03

Rideout makes an excellent point about the welds, something I've noticed since I bought my Sporty. He also touches on another important difference--the sound.

Absolutely NOTHING sounds like a Harley and that's something the Japanese, as good as they are, haven't quite been able to replicate. ;)

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:07

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Originally Posted by Nu Viking
I always fell, If the person wants a Yamaha then get a Yamaha and be proud of it. Comaring the bike that they purchased with a HD makes me think why didnt they get an older cheap bike to get them in the wind till they could buy a Harley cause lets face it , its probley what they really want in the first place. I have never heard from a Harley owner that his bike is almost as good as a Honda and sounds alot like a Yamaha and nor does Mercedes care what a suzuki car costs

Of course, if someone WANTS a Yamaha they'd better want a standard or dual sport or crotch rocket, cause otherwise they'd have to buy a "STAR"

The pathetic copy of a poser lifestyle...

Gawd that marketing is annoying, and I always LIKED YAMAHAS!

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:09

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Originally Posted by Desertfox
My youngest boy wants a BMW 1200 . I told him God blessya. You definately won't go wrong with it. He likes my Sporty but wants a beemer. Good for him.


An R1200C???? or something else? Cause he'd go wrong with an R1200C... worst abortion BMW made of an oilhead...

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:12

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Originally Posted by jag1
My neighbor has a v-max 600. He keeps it in my pole barn during the winter. I look it over whenever I get a chance. It doesn't compare to a harley. Theres alot of plastichrome on it and everything just looks cheap. Not to mention you have to remove the front exhaust pipe to change the oil filter (what kind of crap is that). But, to each his own. I'll keep my Harley!

??????????? What the heck is a V-Max 600? - there's only ONE V-max and that bike just straight out ROCKS

I think you mean V-Star 650.

and if so, I thought it was only the early V-Star 1100s that you had to remove the pipe to get to the filter....

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:18

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Originally Posted by RideoutKSC
In my opinion, the difference between a metric cruiser and a harley isn't just the quality parts, take a look at the welds on the frame too. I compared my 04' sportster to my cousin's 04 VTX 1300 and my welds are cleaner than a baby's bottom. I think this is because the people who build harley's have been trained by the skilled worker's that have come before them.


and

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Originally Posted by rlstone
Rideout makes an excellent point about the welds, something I've noticed since I bought my Sporty. He also touches on another important difference--the sound.

I thought the frame shop used robotic welders....

gearhead 15th November 2005 19:18

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Originally Posted by Kev M
I thought it was only the early V-Star 1100s that you had to remove the pipe to get to the filter....

how early do you mean? A buddy of mine bought one new last year, not sure about the year model though, 04 or 05, and you have to remove the pipe on it...Super weak.

Moved On / My Own Choice 15th November 2005 19:20

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Originally Posted by gearhead
how early do you mean? A buddy of mine bought one new last year, not sure about the year model though, 04 or 05, and you have to remove the pipe on it...Super weak.

I thought they'd changed it for 04 or 05.

Weak? Yeah, I'm not a real fan of most V-stars...

That said...

You know what I have to do to get to MY oil filter?

I HAVE TO REMOVE THE FREAKING OIL PAN :doh (now THAT's WEAK!)...


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