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...Yes I practice, in addition to the miles I put in riding, i do closed parking lot maneuvers and different stops. I have been working on greater reliance on front breaking. So, point taken, I work to improve every time I ride...
Kudos to you, that's such an important step in developing your skills.
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First, you did just fine. The rear brake is more important than many understand. Yes, the front does most of the work, (around 70%), but the rear keeps you heading straight as the front is stopping you. At speed if you lock only the front, the rear will try to pass the front. That's a race where nobody wins. Look at the rear brake as feathers on the arrow.

Second, the brake can fail any time by the front cup splitting. The rear cup is just there to stop fluid from leaking out the back of the cylinder, it remains on the back side of the hole in the reservoir that supplies the cylinder with fluid, so it's not part of your braking at all.

Third, cup failure was very common on the early rubbermounts. The center would totally separate from the outer lip of the cup, and the result is total failure. It can fool you for a while, because it sits against the flat face of the piston, so it can hold pressure after it has split. During this period it can give you erratic brake behavior, like it's fine then the pedal is very low, then it comes back again. But once fluid gets past that cup, it's total failure, the pedal goes all the way, and you get no brake at all.
Or instead of the rear passing you the front falls out from under you and you hit the ground. I screwed up a few years ago and got myself into a panic stop situation on an Interstate. I locked up my front wheel and went down at 70mph. The skid mark from the front tire was 20ft ...

So, as many have said front only was fine however nothing wrong with being cautious. Riding is risk management, you need to adjust your riding and actions based on the conditions. If you tried to ride like you were before and tried to compensate by using more front brake you could have been in the situation I was in. Maintaining more distance and keeping the speed down was the right thing to do. As you put more miles behind you, you will get a better feel for what your capabilities are and what the bikes capabilities are.

As for rear master cylinders I have a pile of them somewhere in my garage. I go through one every year or two, but then I put 20-40,000 miles on my Sporty in a year. In my experience they seldom fail completely and suddenly. They slowly get softer and you may not realize it. Then suddenly you do. In many cases you can pump the rear brake pedal and get some rear brake back. I would not suggest you ride any long distance that way, but it will help you get somewhere safely
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Serious as a heart attack! Plus, that powder from front gets all over everything. I defer to comment above. Well said Parrothead.
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Serious as a heart attack! Plus, that powder from front gets all over everything. I defer to comment above. Well said Parrothead.
I really don't think Chris was agreeing with you.
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I really don't think Chris was agreeing with you.
Yes, I realize that. After years of riding with just stock Drum brakes I appreciate the fact, that the rear disc on my EVO stops better than both brakes clamped down on my previous Sportsters. Parrothead's comment says it a lot better than I can. Modern technology . Hell, when I first bought current bike, leaving the guy's garage, I touched the front brake and face planted against windshield. Hahahaha
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People tend to misinterpret cause and effect. Drum brakes aren't inherently bad or ineffective and using a front brake isn't necessarily dangerous. It's up to the user to ensure that the brakes are sorted properly and then know how to use them.
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Well yeah. Obviously slamming on the fronnt brake alone in a hard brake is gonna have serious consequences.
But using the rear only in a hard brake isn't gonna cut it either.
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Yes, I realize that. After years of riding with just stock Drum brakes I appreciate the fact, that the rear disc on my EVO stops better than both brakes clamped down on my previous Sportsters. Parrothead's comment says it a lot better than I can. Modern technology . Hell, when I first bought current bike, leaving the guy's garage, I touched the front brake and face planted against windshield. Hahahaha
I wasn't in any way saying the front brake should be feared or not used. I was trying to say you need to know how to use them and how to compensate and that comes from experience. If you screw up like I did there will be consequences.

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You can also downshift to use the engine brake.
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You can also downshift to use the engine brake.
Honestly, in a real panic situation, that isn't going to happen. Everyone really needs to take the time to learn how to lock up both brakes and bring it to a complete stop without crashing from at least 30 MPH. You are never going to downshift three times in fast succession while the bumper in front of you is getting closer by the second.

In the military, the government owns your body, you are essentially government property. Back in 69 while in Okinawa we had to be able to do just that to get a license. It was part of the test that included some other really hairball things. Looking back, I'm probably alive today because they forced me to learn things that most of the time you will never use. Locking the brakes is never recommended, but the ability to do it is as important as breathing in my book.
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