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Harley Sportster break in and first oil / trans change info has changed over the years-

Looking through the Owner's manuals I found these changes from 1998 - 2010.

1998 First oil and primary/trans fluid changes at 500 miles.
oil and primary/trans fluids both had a 5000 mile change interval.
(HD 240 spec oil and Sport Trans Fluid)

In 2003 the HD oil spec changes to HD 360 and the first oil change changed from 500 miles to 1000 miles.

In 2004 along with the larger cylinder fins the break in RPMs went up.

In 2007 with EFI the break in rpms went up again.

In 2010 the break in rpms came down
The primary/trans fluid change interval went to 10,000 miles with the
introduction of Formula+ fluid.



1998 Sportster
BREAK-IN - THE FIRST 500 MILES


During the first 50 miles, keep the engine speed below
2500 RPM in any gear, however, do not lug the engine.
Up to 500 miles, vary the engine speed, avoiding any
steady speed for long distances. Engine speed up to
3000 RPM is permissible in any gear.
Avoid running the engine at extremely low RPM in higher gears.
DO NOT exceed 50 MPH for the first 50 miles.
DO NOT exceed 55 MPH for the first 50 - 500 miles.

After a new motorcycle has been ridden its first 500 miles the
motorcycle should be taken to the dealer from whom it was
purchased for initial service operations.

(oil Spec was HD 240, trans fluid was Sport-Trans)
Engine oil, Primary and Transmission all replaced at 5,000 mile intervals.

2003 Sportster

Same breaking info.

First Service changed to 1000 miles.

HD 360 oil spec first shows up.
Engine oil, Primary and Transmission all replaced at 5,000 mile intervals.


2004 Sportster
(Larger cooling fins)

During the first 50 miles, keep the engine speed below
3000 RPM in any gear, however, do not lug the engine.
Do not exceed mph/kmh for each gear
1st 23mph/37kmh
2nd 33/53
3rd 43/69
4th 52/84
5th 60/97

Up to 500 miles, vary the engine speed, avoiding any
steady speed for long distances. Engine speed up to
3500 RPM is permissible in any gear.
Avoid running the engine at extremely low RPM in higher gears.

Do not exceed mph/kmh for each gear
1st 27mph/43kmh
2nd 38/61
3rd 50/80
4th 60/97
5th 70/113

Engine oil, Primary and Transmission all replaced at 5,000 mile intervals.

2007 Owner’s manual
EFI introduced

During the first 50 miles (80 kilometers) of riding, keep the engine speed below 4000 RPM in any gear. Do not lug the engine by running or accelerating at very low RPM, or by running at high RPM longer than needed for shifting or passing.
Up to 500 miles (800 kilometers), vary the engine speed and avoid operating at any steady engine speed for long periods. Engine speed up to 5000 RPM in any gear is permissible.
Drive slowly and avoid fast starts at wide open throttle until the engine has warmed up.
Avoid lugging the engine by not running the engine at very low speeds in higher gears.

2010 Sportster

During the first 50 mi 80 km of riding, keep the engine speed below 3000 rpm in any gear. Do not lug the engine by running or accelerating at very low rpm, or by running at high rpm longer than needed for shifting or passing.
Up to 500 mi 800 km , vary the engine speed and avoid operating at any steady engine speed for long periods. Engine speed up to 3500 rpm in any gear is permissible.
Drive slowly and avoid fast starts at wide open throttle until the engine has warmed up.
Avoid lugging the engine by not running the engine at very low speeds in higher gears.

Formula+ is listed as the Primary/Transmissoin fluid
Engine oil replaced at 5,000 mile intervals, Primary and Transmission replaced at 10,000 mile intervals.
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I'm confused here. What's the debate? You're talking apples and oranges. You're not breaking in a stock Harley motor or a porche or anything but a Hammer build.
That said, are you sure those motors haven't at least been heat cycled before going on the dyno?

As for the OCIs, even oil companies have a disclaimer "under normal operating conditions". Otherwise adjust OCIs accordingly or something along those lines. Now define normal cuz I can say my riding style would not be considered normal by any means and no way in hell I'm pushing 5000 mile OCIs. I dont care what oil I'm using.
But hey, that's me.
Oil manufacturers, vehicle manufacturers are all pressured by yours truly to extend OCIs just as much as better economy and MPG.
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OK< so I got it wrong < posted the wrong link,

.the answer seems to be " Your guess is as good as any one less" when even the experts and pro builders can't agree..what hope for th rest of us.
No worries here.
The Mototune method just raises important concerns.
It has been practiced although I'd like to get a head count of success and failure rates.
But the one thing I do know about it, it's a crapshoot based on more variables I'm comfortable with.
Starting with the parts, then builder up to location, tuning... every engine is different.
Then stress from breakin alone adds another variable.
If we were talking $50 for assembly, what's the issue?
But thousands can be lost in less than 30 mins if something goes wrong.
I am trying (unsuccessfully) to share the info I've learned here without getting into a debate over it.
I have my own preferences on the subject. But we have to make our own educated decisions based on the info we can gather.

From the Sportsterpedia:

And, once again, if your installing new cylinders and you require the warranty, do as the manufacturer asks you to.

Heat cycling is more of a performance trick rather than a build standard. And, in fairness to all, I might add that definition (while seemingly accurate) may be the root of the problem since it doesn't take a performance trick to make an engine run.
While the fact that it may take a performance trick to make it run well is subjective to the builder/ owner especially without the smoking gun that everyone seems to be looking for.
Without that smoking gun, a builder's belief and reason system is tested and not any builder I've ever met likes to change his opinions very easily, especially from things he's practiced for years.

We all have our methods, techniques, and beliefs based on what we have experienced.
That is a good thing, because it allows the cream to rise to the top.
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IVE been reading article on here about Heat Cycles and Micro welding,
it say bits come off ring and stop rings rotating in bore ,.

So dont harleys have a piston ring stop in the ring lands ,or grooves ???
,that does seem odd to me ,But then ive not had a harley engine in bits
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So dont harleys have a piston ring stop in the ring lands ,or grooves ???
Typically only two strokes have pinned rings. That's to keep the ring ends from getting snagged in the ports.
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