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Insurance companies will total a bike even though it's fixable.

I bent the frame on my 2003 XL1200C and they totalled it.
I took the money bought the bike back and fixed it
with $3k left over. It never needed a salvage title either.
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I've always considered NADA values to be inflated and fictitous. It is a book of, by and for the car dealers association.
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The reason for the inflated price is model desirability, that's all.
Blame it on stuntyboiz or Sons of Anarchy but the Lowrider & Street Bob Dynas command a premium these days. Even those with Evo motors.

I noticed this after doing a ton of research when I went looking for a larger bike. You can get a 08-09 Fat Bob with low miles (less than 5-7k typically) for $5-6k around here while the previosly mentioned Dynas the same years start out at $8k even with 30K on the odo.

Example,
my 13 FXDF- 4k on the odo, perfect paint, windshield, sissybar, crashbar, saddlebags, cobra slip-ons- $9k out the door (talked down from $12,999 at the end of riding season)

The 09 FXDL I considered- 11k on the odo, so-so paint, intake & slip ons- $9k out the door was the best I could talk the salesman down to (wanted $11,500)

It's literally just supply & demand. Paying cash helps too. When the salesman asked how much I was going to finance & I said 'none' then pulled out a stack of hundreds, boy did his attitude change.
It kills a salesman to see a guy with cash in hand walk away. That's the trick though, you may actually have to walk away.
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Great read Mastiff thank you. I am prepared to walk away if I must. I put down a deposit but if I can't get a good answer as to why it's a "rebuilt" title I'll probably pass. The sales manager's answer was so vague he should've just said flat-out, "I don't know."

I did get him to "a number starting with 4" and I'm glad I remembered to ask if that is the final price. Of course not. There's a $395 dealer-something-something fee he says every Conn. dealer charges. An extra $400 is a pretty big chunk of change to tack on I think.

Obviously the NADA listing I found is wrong. "Average Retail $3035" yeah right. In my experience NADA and Kelley are usually in the ballpark but I don't see any Low Riders listed for less than $5K. Like you said it's all supply and demand. The LR has been one of Harley's best-selling bikes since they first came out with the FXS.
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Tell him you have nothing against dealer fees. He can put it on his side of the deal.

I have been told crap like "if the dealer's son buys a vehicle he has to pay the dealer fee"

Fine. Stand firm it's straight profit for them
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Yeah it kind of pisses me off I had to ask. When it's that much I think a sales manager has an obligation to be upfront about it.
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Another consideration is the tires, old tires can cause speed/death wobbles. They may need to be replaced right off the bat. You can add another $200 to $400 and that's if you mount and balance them yourself.

Also, I don't care what the dealer or seller says- every car & bike I buy gets a flush, filter, and fill of all fluids along with a tune up. You don't know & can't trust what someone previously did or didn't do. That adds to the price.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to check the oil before you buy it & look for any problems. Wiring harnesses & the fuse box are a good place to take a look at too.

The battery may not be in great shape- every bike I've bought (5 so far), this has been the case. There's at least another $100.

On an old bike such as this one, there's a lot of possible add on costs that most people don't realize until they get it home or go for that 1st ride.

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Great read Mastiff thank you. I am prepared to walk away if I must. I put down a deposit but if I can't get a good answer as to why it's a "rebuilt" title I'll probably pass. The sales manager's answer was so vague he should've just said flat-out, "I don't know."

I did get him to "a number starting with 4" and I'm glad I remembered to ask if that is the final price. Of course not. There's a $395 dealer-something-something fee he says every Conn. dealer charges. An extra $400 is a pretty big chunk of change to tack on I think.

Obviously the NADA listing I found is wrong. "Average Retail $3035" yeah right. In my experience NADA and Kelley are usually in the ballpark but I don't see any Low Riders listed for less than $5K. Like you said it's all supply and demand. The LR has been one of Harley's best-selling bikes since they first came out with the FXS.
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Take a stand.

All sales talk is straight bs.

Say "I'll pay this, plus tacks. And I'll split the battery disposal fee with you"

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I did get him to "a number starting with 4" and I'm glad I remembered to ask if that is the final price. Of course not. There's a $395 dealer-something-something fee he says every Conn. dealer charges. An extra $400 is a pretty big chunk of change to tack on I think.
Sit down with them and write it up. Look carefully at what's there. I went thru this process 2 yrs ago buying mine. It was a matter of looking at what's on paper and seeing what they're adding on. I sat and read and drew lines thru the add-on padding. There was about $600 I crossed out, this was after we'd discussed price. Ya gotta be prepared to tell them to call you if they reconsider and walk.
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I'll be giving this bike a long look before I test ride it. Most stuff is pretty easy to check; the one thing that always worries me is the clutch / transmission. Can't tell much from a parking lot spin.

Well what the hell, it's always risky buying used but I don't like the newer Harleys. I'm in the Evo-or-earlier camp and I've been lucky so far. Learned a lot too keeping them on the road.

EDIT: Damn "REBUILT" title...looking online how to register it. Apparently NY must physically examine the bike before they'll register it and covert the title. Exam fee is >$200 and because Covid the exam schedule is all screwed up. Fk! I really like this bike.

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