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I wonder if fully seating the seal in the past allowed seepage past the seal along the shaft and promoted some of us using and extra o-ring behind the shift lever to control this issue, hmmmm.
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How does putting the seal up against the bushing with no apparent difference in mating around the shaft cause a degrade in performance?
I'm guessing because there is really no explanation of how/why it degrades performance in the TSB.

I suspect that the inner seal sleeve (with garter spring around it), when pushed up against the bushing, may distort by the friction of the moving shifter shaft - then, not able to return the inner seal to it's original position, after being rotated a number of times.

Without being bottomed against the bushing, the inner sleeve may move with the shifter shaft & then return to it's proper position/shape.

Again, just guessing at the possible way it might be affected.


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Let's keep in mind that TSB doesn't include Sportsters.
It does however offer a bit of speculation about that spring seal.
I can't find anything in the Sportster FSMs that say anything more than "install the seal".
But in looking at the spring, let's say you knock it in with a socket, bottom it out too hard and mash the spring or hinder it's movement.
It's job is to hug the shaft thru the rubber and not allow a leak?
If it gets mashed, it can no longer do that to the degree it was made for.
I have found that the shifter shaft has a lot of side to side and up and down and all around pressure on it on every shift.
So that seal and spring has changing loads along with the shaft.
Maybe not bottoming the seal is simply a fail safe to keep from harming the spring.
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I wonder if fully seating the seal in the past allowed seepage past the seal along the shaft and promoted some of us using and extra o-ring behind the shift lever to control this issue, hmmmm.
I'm now wondering about me removing the OEM spacer and adding a little longer rubber hose.
It stiffened the shaft up some which is what I was after.
I had a little play with the OEM spacer being a little short.
I had to slightly compress the longer hose to get the pedal arm on, gudentite.
The pedal had a more positive action, less loose. I did that after my roundabout on the interstate when replacing some parts.

Making that connection more rigid with O-rings or a longer spacer may push the seal towards it's bottom.
Does it also the spring?
My old seal didn't have a spring... at least when I removed the seal.
Never saw remnants of it either. Neither seals leaked though.

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The more important question now is if there’s the oil seal AND the rubber spacer that goes between the seal and the shifter lever/pawl then how does the seal being bottomed into the cover end up being affected if the spacer seals that seal off anyways?
The thing is, the only purpose I can find for the spacer IS to remove side play in the shaft... or at least lessen it.

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I'm guessing because there is really no explanation of how/why it degrades performance in the TSB.

I suspect that the inner seal sleeve (with garter spring around it), when pushed up against the bushing, may distort by the friction of the moving shifter shaft - then, not able to return the inner seal to it's original position, after being rotated a number of times.

Without being bottomed against the bushing, the inner sleeve may move with the shifter shaft & then return to it's proper position/shape.

Again, just guessing at the possible way it might be affected.
Here's wikipedia to save the day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garter_spring

The diagram really drives home the concept (get it? 'drive' home?)

"Extension garter springs act against forces from the center, so they may be placed on the outside of a circular object to maintain the object's circular shape. They act similar to a bracelet, which is extended to fit around the hand and then snaps back into shape on the wrist. Extension garter springs are more common than compression garter springs because they use less material (smaller circumference and thinner wire) and they respond to changes quicker and more efficiently."

...well there ya have it.
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So as all good things that come to pass go, the bike is back together and IT LIVES!!!

I used the BelRay products in both the Pri and the oil tank.
My buddy noticed it was quieter immediately. Could be subjective, could be adjustment of the chain, but I'll take it.

Now it's just a matter of waiting for the seat to be covered. I had a local shop add some rear bolster in behind my keister so I wouldn't slip off the seat and they used a grippier fabric for the tuck and roll center section.

I'll post a couple of pics to do with that later.

Just wanted to chime in with the realization that Sportsters are decently tough bikes and they make noise. Looking forward to the wind reduction that the new fairing provides based on a quick jaunt out with the bike.


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Happy for you, let the bonding continue!
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Let her rip! And good luck, congratulations, mazel tov!

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5 months, 140 pages, success!
Congrats.
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