The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®
 

Go Back   The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM® > FORUM FUNCTIONS > Sportsterpedia.com Admin
XLF Blogs XLF Arcade XLF Disclaimer/Privacy Statement/Terms Of Use

Notices

Sportsterpedia.com Admin For discussion regarding the administration of the Sportster Wiki.

Active Threads
0 Keep & Kill
Last Post: Crusty
Posted On: 12 Minutes Ago
Replies: 24,763
Views: 1,457,746
0 Stroker pistons
Last Post: Ferrous Head
Posted On: 16 Minutes Ago
Replies: 132
Views: 6,974
0 Hot Chicks on Hot Bikes
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 33 Minutes Ago
Replies: 12,537
Views: 2,923,654
0 This is gonna hurt.
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 36 Minutes Ago
Replies: 8,936
Views: 2,080,454
0 video & pics
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 38 Minutes Ago
Replies: 448
Views: 45,524
0 Official XL Forum Random Image Thread (NO NUDITY!)
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 40 Minutes Ago
Replies: 52,074
Views: 8,767,081
0 Hot Rods, Rat Rods, and Customs.
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 41 Minutes Ago
Replies: 4,746
Views: 918,349
0 Hottie of the day, no nudity.
Last Post: cal43
Posted On: 43 Minutes Ago
Replies: 32,258
Views: 3,755,630
0 Transmission drain plug
Last Post: ryder rick
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 4
Views: 375
0 Poll: Do you change tires yourself?
Last Post: roadsterboy
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 140
Views: 44,219
0 1975 Sportster
Last Post: alsfarms
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 190
0 MId-range breaking up under acceleration
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 9
Views: 132
0 2003 Custom 1200
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 1
Views: 67
12 I caught a carburetor THISSSSSS rare
Last Post: Hippysmack
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 14
Views: 155
0 Clutch issue
Last Post: Fivecats
Posted On: 6 Hours Ago
Replies: 2
Views: 36
0 Was your 1st bike a Sportster?
Last Post: SophieWillow
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 1,053
Views: 294,242
3 still not a drop!!! 1979 1000xlh
Last Post: Ferrous Head
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 17
Views: 716
0 1982 Front Hydraulic Master Cylinder
Last Post: Hippysmack
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 2
Views: 143
0 Indicators not flashing
Last Post: IronMick
Posted On: 10 Hours Ago
Replies: 10
Views: 308
0 Gear indicator missing
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 10 Hours Ago
Replies: 11
Views: 219
0 Automotive Motor Oil In Sportster
Last Post: Hippysmack
Posted On: 12 Hours Ago
Replies: 65
Views: 2,961
0 What song do you have stuck in your head?
Last Post: iNSaNeSHaNe
Posted On: 14 Hours Ago
Replies: 2,430
Views: 259,048
0 Cannonball Run Winner - 1911 H-D
Last Post: duffy
Posted On: 15 Hours Ago
Replies: 1
Views: 164
0 1982 rubber oil hoses
Last Post: Hippysmack
Posted On: 16 Hours Ago
Replies: 14
Views: 812
0 Bad Vibration & Engine Stumbling 99 Custom 883
Last Post: Porkchop9
Posted On: 17 Hours Ago
Replies: 9
Views: 152
0 1983 Roadster
Last Post: RicThompson
Posted On: 18 Hours Ago
Replies: 38
Views: 1,598
0 1975 Sportster
Last Post: bustert
Posted On: 19 Hours Ago
Replies: 2
Views: 181
0 Power Vision map for Hammer 1275
Last Post: Bikeaholic
Posted On: 20 Hours Ago
Replies: 10
Views: 411
0 2012 Sporty 72 Early-Style Springer Install
Last Post: Animosity
Posted On: 21 Hours Ago
Replies: 10
Views: 383
0 easy rider homage peter fonda ironhead
Last Post: 84rzv500r
Posted On: 1 Day Ago
Replies: 26
Views: 1,828
More...
Members Birthdays
Snuffy (72), cabby58 (63), SmoothyB (54), johnnyB (52), cayey (51), BIGschwerm (45), chief (45), Sporty Accorn (45), Muddypunk (36), Andreas (34)
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
  #341  
Old 17th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippysmack View Post
I've added those assembly pics to the pedia plus a little more information.
There is still much to be added though.
http://sportsterpedia.com/doku.php/t...01#section0003
Thank you very much for the pics.
Are the separate rods pics on an auction I can access, either open or closed?
If so I can contact the seller for permission to use them.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284299906...6a42%7Ciid%3A1
Reply With Quote
  #342  
Old 17th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Default

Also I think that this crank has revision "A" at the end of part number
Reply With Quote
  #343  
Old 17th July 2021
Hippysmack's Avatar
Hippysmack Hippysmack is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 8,078
Sportster/Buell Model: Xl1250S
Sportster/Buell Year: 98
Other Motorcycle Model: Kawasaki Vulcan 500
Other Motorcycle Year: 95
Reputation: 7854060
Hippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond repute
Default

The crank assembly being -A or flywheel casting numbers?
I couldn't see any wheel casting numbers in your pics but I want to make sure the information is correct.
We have 1 picture of the newer crank assembly 23905-00A upgrade from XLF member, Wilbur, from this thread.
http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=657090

The seller for those rods has agreed for us to use his pics so I get them posted shortly.

edit:
I checked the parts books and flywheel assembly (23905-00) is the original assembly per the -03 catalog.
The -03B catalog shows flywheel assembly (23905-00A).
So the -00A wheel assembly is the replacement assembly for the -00 assembly.




Here is his old assembly which looks like yours.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
For comparison; here are the wheels I pulled out of the '03 rigid:



They are designed differently.
__________________
Diagnosis begins before teardown, during and after rebuild.

In Search of Fuel, Sunshine and a Steady Idle.

Reference the XLFORUM'S Sportsterpedia
for additional technical information & advice

Last edited by Hippysmack; 17th July 2021 at 21:46..
Reply With Quote
  #344  
Old 17th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Default

I have checked this web to get the part number for my 2003 flywheels:
https://www.jerseyh-d.com/original-h...ster&part=1385
I could be wrong but there must be something to separate 2000-2002 cranks from 2003, right?
They say that 23905-00A(2003) superseded 23905-00 (2000-2002?)
Reply With Quote
  #345  
Old 17th July 2021
Hippysmack's Avatar
Hippysmack Hippysmack is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 8,078
Sportster/Buell Model: Xl1250S
Sportster/Buell Year: 98
Other Motorcycle Model: Kawasaki Vulcan 500
Other Motorcycle Year: 95
Reputation: 7854060
Hippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I added this to the above post but maybe not in time for you to see it.

I checked the parts books and flywheel assembly (23905-00) is the original assembly from 2000-2003.
On the parts books you have to look at the part number for the individual book to see what revision it is.
The -00 to -03 books say the -00 is the original assembly.
The -A, B or C parts books only show parts that were in production as replacements.
Online store's such as Ronnies and others all follow suit.
So the only way to find the original part numbers is to use the original parts books.
The -03B catalog shows flywheel assembly (23905-00A).
So the -00A wheel assembly is the replacement for the -00 assembly.

Now that being said, your rods have casting numbers ending in -02.
So the -00 flywheel assembly must have had different rods between 2000 and 2003.
But the assembly number didn't change.
This is truly par for the course with HD using different parts with the part numbers staying the same.
And it's another reason that we need more information on the different parts thru the years of this assembly since you couldn't buy individual parts for it after 1999.
Reply With Quote
  #346  
Old 17th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippysmack View Post
I added this to the above post but maybe not in time for you to see it.

I checked the parts books and flywheel assembly (23905-00) is the original assembly from 2000-2003.
On the parts books you have to look at the part number for the individual book to see what revision it is.
The -00 to -03 books say the -00 is the original assembly.
The -A, B or C parts books only show parts that were in production as replacements.
Online store's such as Ronnies and others all follow suit.
So the only way to find the original part numbers is to use the original parts books.
The -03B catalog shows flywheel assembly (23905-00A).
So the -00A wheel assembly is the replacement for the -00 assembly.

Now that being said, your rods have casting numbers ending in -02.
So the -00 flywheel assembly must have had different rods between 2000 and 2003.
But the assembly number didn't change.
This is truly par for the course with HD using different parts with the part numbers staying the same.
And it's another reason that we need more information on the different parts thru the years of this assembly since you couldn't buy individual parts for it after 1999.
Loks like that H-D did'nt care to make separate part number for just 2003 year production. All the 2000-2002 bikes that I had my hands on had older type of connrods and all of the 2003 bikes had thinner -02 rods on them.
Now, are they the same as 04 and up???
Reply With Quote
  #347  
Old 17th July 2021
Hippysmack's Avatar
Hippysmack Hippysmack is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 8,078
Sportster/Buell Model: Xl1250S
Sportster/Buell Year: 98
Other Motorcycle Model: Kawasaki Vulcan 500
Other Motorcycle Year: 95
Reputation: 7854060
Hippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Ok, so one change in 03 was the rods were thinner. See the puzzle at hand.
I've been looking through the SIP and other documents in the pedia for more info on these year assemblies and coming up empty so far.
The problem is the MoCo sold the assembly only with no part numbers for the individual parts.
That leaves us guessing for the rest.
So I take your pics seriously as documentation of what parts were actually fitted to the assembly.
But we definitely need pics and info from further year assemblies and such to answer these questions.

In a previous post I added a link to the rocker box page.
You can see many many part number changes but looking at the actual parts, the casting numbers only changed a few times.

And of course the 07 oil pump that CLEARLY is not the same internals as the 06< but the part# is the same.

The parts books as much, as we need them for original part numbers, were never intended to nail down original part#s.
As far as I can tell, they were only intended to show parts that could be ordered for replacement that were in production at the time the book was written.
So that's where we come in to bridge that gap.

edit:

The -00A wheels would have to have timing marks to be able to replace previous rigid assemblies.
Rubbermount wheels don't have timing marks. The timing inspection hole was deleted and the original assembly has a -04 part number.
Did the rods change? I don't know yet.
But the part number change was due, at least in part, to the removal of the timing marks and the slotted edge wheels.
The slotted wheels are also found on the -00A assembly.
So it may be that the -00A assembly came about in or after 2004.

Flywheel assembly part numbers through 2013 currently are on the main page in the Sportsterpedia.
http://www.sportsterpedia.com/doku.p...wheel_assembly

Last edited by Hippysmack; 18th July 2021 at 00:01..
Reply With Quote
  #348  
Old 18th July 2021
Hippysmack's Avatar
Hippysmack Hippysmack is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 8,078
Sportster/Buell Model: Xl1250S
Sportster/Buell Year: 98
Other Motorcycle Model: Kawasaki Vulcan 500
Other Motorcycle Year: 95
Reputation: 7854060
Hippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond reputeHippysmack has a reputation beyond repute
Default

This is why all this matters so much.
Here is an Ebay auction for Harley Davidson Sportster 1200 & 883 Engine Motor Crankshaft Crank Flywheel.

edit:
I gave the wrong and pic... fixed it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15429384967...IAAOSwRlNgAj8~
They didn't list what years it fits but there are no timing marks in these wheels.
Although at face value, it looks like the -00A assembly.
So we can save somebody some time and money if we can get all this cyphered out.


Last edited by Hippysmack; 18th July 2021 at 22:51..
Reply With Quote
  #349  
Old 18th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippysmack View Post
Ok, so one change in 03 was the rods were thinner. See the puzzle at hand.
I've been looking through the SIP and other documents in the pedia for more info on these year assemblies and coming up empty so far.
The problem is the MoCo sold the assembly only with no part numbers for the individual parts.
That leaves us guessing for the rest.
So I take your pics seriously as documentation of what parts were actually fitted to the assembly.
But we definitely need pics and info from further year assemblies and such to answer these questions.

http://www.sportsterpedia.com/doku.p...wheel_assembly
All I can say is that the bike in question is 2003 883R. Funny thing is, that it was a prize in Polish TV show and was won by the family that decided to sell it to split the profit and the lucky buyer was my brother The bike was completely stock and he rode it to UK where I live and we started the modifications. Most of it can be seen in my profile, this bike went under the serious modifications throughout it's life. But I remember the time when I stripped the top end down for the first time and I found out that the rods were way slimmer than mine, 2000 year model! I was working in a Harley custom shop in London UK at that time and I was familiar with them. So I can swear that the crank on the photos is from 2003 883R model!
Reply With Quote
  #350  
Old 18th July 2021
Randy_rots Randy_rots is offline
Chief Harley Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Derby
Posts: 517
Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 softail frame&NOS
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell XB1250 Uly XT
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2009
Reputation: 186700
Randy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant futureRandy_rots has a brilliant future
Default

I still think that this crank should be listed in the pedia, as to be fitted to ONLY 2003 year model, until somebody else will prove otherwise.
This is also the reason that I consider 2003 year model to be the best of all time
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:07.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
XL Forum® - Linson Media LLC