The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®
 

Go Back   The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM® > SPORTSTER MOTORCYCLE ZONE > Sportster Motorcycle Era Specific and Model Specific > EFI Sportster Motorcycle Talk (2007 and up)
XLF Blogs XLF Arcade XLF Disclaimer/Privacy Statement/Terms Of Use

Notices

EFI Sportster Motorcycle Talk (2007 and up) For 2007 and above Sportsters

Active Threads
0 Question about dynamic timing a 2000i
Last Post: jordan1200
Posted On: 1 Minute Ago
Replies: 7
Views: 100
0 Passenger floorboards and backrest questions
Last Post: ParrotHead
Posted On: 1 Minute Ago
Replies: 10
Views: 173
0 How old are you?
Last Post: RandyMac
Posted On: 11 Minutes Ago
Replies: 188
Views: 13,074
0 Galena IL
Last Post: Bad Dina
Posted On: 12 Minutes Ago
Replies: 3
Views: 71
0 Official XL Forum Random Image Thread (NO NUDITY!)
Last Post: trainman
Posted On: 26 Minutes Ago
Replies: 40,849
Views: 6,262,101
0 Issue that has me stumped
Last Post: night-train
Posted On: 34 Minutes Ago
Replies: 28
Views: 1,008
0 Stock magneto setup on a 73?
Last Post: ELrutchdelux
Posted On: 44 Minutes Ago
Replies: 28
Views: 4,385
0 ....1
Last Post: bplinson
Posted On: 49 Minutes Ago
Replies: 4,498
Views: 207,447
0 Hot Rods, Rat Rods, and Customs.
Last Post: lugster
Posted On: 50 Minutes Ago
Replies: 2,487
Views: 189,371
0 Who can make a spare key?
Last Post: chris16371
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 10
Views: 264
0 2 Up Seat Recommendations
Last Post: chris16371
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 5
Views: 141
0 Hottie of the day, no nudity.
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 6,997
Views: 497,775
0 Big bore stroker - the beginning of a 10-year long build
Last Post: RKN
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 690
Views: 57,778
0 Anyone go racing last weekend?
Last Post: cycowrencher
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 2,624
Views: 235,549
0 Amazing without the windshield.
Last Post: Dave L
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 177
Views: 22,041
0 Carb, manifold issues
Last Post: davixlrtt
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 7
Views: 209
0 2018 East Coast Meet & Greet
Last Post: sportytrace
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 573
Views: 32,267
0 Fact or Fiction - HP Claims
Last Post: rejeanprimeau
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 736
Views: 85,054
6 1973 Sporty - Starts, Runs Good, Stops...
Last Post: 4th of July
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 13
Views: 326
14 Firearms you wish you owned.
Last Post: Beard111
Posted On: 6 Hours Ago
Replies: 414
Views: 60,317
0 Switch controls.
Last Post: shooterj2003
Posted On: 7 Hours Ago
Replies: 9
Views: 273
0 Does anybody know the difference between these two kits?
Last Post: Sadsack
Posted On: 8 Hours Ago
Replies: 2
Views: 149
0 Battery draining problem when running, but generator and regulator work?
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 40
Views: 1,628
0 Lake Erie Ride Alums?
Last Post: SteveK
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 7
Views: 167
0 1991 883 Hugger will not turn over
Last Post: Four Speed
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 13
Views: 606
0 What did you do for your sporty Today?
Last Post: Diogenes415
Posted On: 10 Hours Ago
Replies: 5,200
Views: 560,254
0 S&S Super B float needle question.
Last Post: Captain Johnny
Posted On: 10 Hours Ago
Replies: 19
Views: 722
0 Analog Tach on 2004-2013 Sportster with OEM Digital Speedometer
Last Post: stray
Posted On: 11 Hours Ago
Replies: 29
Views: 2,248
9 MAP code problems
Last Post: Toejam503
Posted On: 11 Hours Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 183
More...
Members Birthdays
Sponsored Links
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 26th April 2018
XLXR's Avatar
XLXR XLXR is offline
XL FORUM LIFE MEMBER
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,201
Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200 R
Sportster/Buell Year: 2006
Reputation: 711236
XLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond reputeXLXR has a reputation beyond repute
Default

OOpps, I thought it was a 2006 bike. Check the stepper motor (I think your bike has one) and enrichment table. Just a guess because I don't know much about EFI. Call Hammer.
__________________
Former Ricor test rider for IAS Shocks, Intiminators and Vibranators. Works Dual Rate fork springs, fork brace, Avon Venom X tires, loosen drive belt, and set frame rails level to floor. Read the "7 Pages of Suspension" thread in the Suspension Sticky Index to learn how to fix your suspension.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 27th April 2018
201648Rider 201648Rider is offline
Flat Track Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 236
Sportster/Buell Model: 48
Sportster/Buell Year: 2016
Reputation: 213253
201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future
Default

Still waiting on a compression tester adapter but it looks like I have indeed failed a head gasket on the front cylinder;

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSvTuYaetD1DAZyc9
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 27th April 2018
Screw Loose Dan's Avatar
Screw Loose Dan Screw Loose Dan is offline
I think I like Sportsters
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Collegeville, PA
Posts: 6,935
Sportster/Buell Model: 883L (sorta) & a 1200R
Sportster/Buell Year: 2007
Sportster/Buell Model #2: 1200CX
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2016
Other Motorcycle Model: XR1200X
Other Motorcycle Year: 2012
Reputation: 2595367
Screw Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Yeah, that doesn't look good. Hopefully that's it. Kinda a pain to have to take it all apart again, but should be relatively easy to address.

I presume you used the Cometic gaskets that Hammer normally recommends/supplies?
__________________
Screw Loose Dan
Current fleet:
2007 - 1200R (Orange bike)
2012 - XR1200X (XR)
2016 - 1200CX Roadster (new one)
2007 - 883L/90" -current project - (Black bike)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 30th April 2018
201648Rider 201648Rider is offline
Flat Track Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 236
Sportster/Buell Model: 48
Sportster/Buell Year: 2016
Reputation: 213253
201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future
Default

Correct I used the Hammer .30 x 3.625. I just ordered another complete kit. Doesn't hurt to have spares I guess, and I still have the factory motor to re-assemble.

I think my lack of patience warming the bike up before riding is likely what caused the fault. I try to be quick about it in the am so I don't wake the neighbors and usually similarly when leaving work.

Any ideas what temps I should be trying to keep the bike under? I have also been hitting a lot of stop/go traffic due to construction on my commute and wonder what the "shut-off" point should be when things climb to high.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 30th April 2018
Screw Loose Dan's Avatar
Screw Loose Dan Screw Loose Dan is offline
I think I like Sportsters
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Collegeville, PA
Posts: 6,935
Sportster/Buell Model: 883L (sorta) & a 1200R
Sportster/Buell Year: 2007
Sportster/Buell Model #2: 1200CX
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2016
Other Motorcycle Model: XR1200X
Other Motorcycle Year: 2012
Reputation: 2595367
Screw Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond reputeScrew Loose Dan has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I doubt you blew a head gasket because you weren't warming the bike up. My (limited) experience has been head gaskets fail because poor assembly technique or a much bigger issue internally to the engine. Anything is possible I guess, but I would be surprised not warming the bike caused an issue (presuming you weren't going full throttle on a cold engine). You might find loose head bolts when you tear it down.

I've never gotten a good answer to what the highest engine temperature should be. And, to be clear - we are talking about Engine Temperature (ET) as reported by the ECM, NOT oil temperature. I usually don't fret until I get ET's over 400°F. The majority of the time I'll see ~380°F fully warmed up. I pay close attention when I'm in the low 400's, but I don't think I've ever stopped riding. From what I've read on here, some see low 400 ET's on a regular basis. One of the most consistent ways for me to achieve those temperatures is at continuous highway speeds with my feet back on the passenger pegs. I usually just move my legs back to the regular pegs and watch the temps drop to more normal levels. Only once do I think I saw temps even close to that in stop and go traffic (but I tend to avoid traffic when at all possible).

BTW - If you read other forums, disregard anything you read about BT's and their ET's. The sensors on Sportsters are in a much different location and the two numbers can not be compared in any meaningful way.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 1st May 2018
201648Rider 201648Rider is offline
Flat Track Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 236
Sportster/Buell Model: 48
Sportster/Buell Year: 2016
Reputation: 213253
201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future
Default

Ok those temps are in-line with what I'm seeing on my dynojet.
If I get stuck in stop/go I swing north of 400 in about 15 minutes. The highest it climbed was 450 but I babied it to a lot to let it cool.

It very well could be poor assembly on my part. It was my first assembly and I had the jugs on/off too many times to count. Fingers crossed its a quick fix and back on the road by next weekend if the parts arrive.

Coincidentally my riding mower also popped its headgasket but its a briggs so should be as simple as the HD .
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 2nd May 2018
jzink0883's Avatar
jzink0883 jzink0883 is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Elgin, IL
Posts: 1,874
Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200CP
Sportster/Buell Year: 2015
Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLH1200 (traded in)
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1998
Reputation: 3087723
jzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 201648Rider View Post
Coincidentally my riding mower also popped its headgasket but its a briggs so should be as simple as the HD .
201648Rider,

Thanks for making an old retired tech smile. Reps.
__________________
jzink0883, '15 XL1200CP, it ain't butt jewelry, it's a ride

Last edited by jzink0883; 2nd May 2018 at 11:43..
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 2nd May 2018
jzink0883's Avatar
jzink0883 jzink0883 is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Elgin, IL
Posts: 1,874
Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200CP
Sportster/Buell Year: 2015
Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLH1200 (traded in)
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1998
Reputation: 3087723
jzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond reputejzink0883 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 201648Rider View Post
It was my first assembly and I had the jugs on/off too many times to count.
201648Rider,

Began following your posts when you rode to the west coast.

Questions:
- What problems caused you to have to remove the jugs “too many times to count”?
- Which ring compressor did you use?
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #19  
Old 2nd May 2018
201648Rider 201648Rider is offline
Flat Track Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 236
Sportster/Buell Model: 48
Sportster/Buell Year: 2016
Reputation: 213253
201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future
Default

jzink0883,

I'm really itching to get back out there, I'm thinking a trip in June but not on the sporty .

The 1275 kit came with pistons already installed in new jugs.

The first round I installed these on the factory motor, torqued everything down, decided I didn't trust the dealers diagnosis....pulled everything and found a bent rod in the front cylinder, which is what was causing the knock that sent to the dealer in the first place. (my final guess to the cause is that I sucked water riding in the rain, although I was really quick to blame the fuelpak tune).

On the second engine I'm sure I had things torqued down quite a few different times checking squish clearances and just second guessing everything. Its possible i could have nicked or damaged the gasket taking things on/off...and even more possible things just worked loose.

I'm pretty confident I had everything torqued down per Hammers instructions, but I was also pretty confident I put the pushrods in correctly the first time. .
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 14th May 2018
201648Rider 201648Rider is offline
Flat Track Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 236
Sportster/Buell Model: 48
Sportster/Buell Year: 2016
Reputation: 213253
201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future201648Rider has a brilliant future
Default

Finally got around to replacing the head gasket.
Turns out it was leaking right at the oil passage towards the ront of the front cylinder.

Somewhere along the line I lost the top engine mount bolt on this side of the jug. Thinking maybe its possible that could have contributed to the failure otherwise I'm guessing I might have dmg the gasket during install.

Everything seemed torqued down still. Hopefully this one holds up for a bit longer!



Went for a test ride and the hesitation was gone, but its still pretty cool out and we're getting thunderstorms all net week so I'll have to take it on a longer ride in the near future.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Sponsored Links
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 13:29.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
XL Forum® - Linson Media LLC