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Default Weight changes over the years for the Forty Eight?

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Sorry if this has been discussed ... I read through the Forty Eight sticky, and tried to search the forums. If I search for "48" it says it's too common or too short. If I search for "forty eight" it says the word "eight" is too common ... makes it hard to do a good search for this particular model!

I'm considering adding a Forty Eight to my beloved '88 883, and am looking through the changes over the years. The main one that hits my eye is the weight differences. For example, wet weight on the 2010 model was reported as 567 pounds, the 2013 is listed at 573 pounds, and the 2016+ lists 551 pounds. The 2016+ wet weight is less than the 2013 dry weight! I know there was a switch to mag wheels in 2016, and there were changes to the exhaust, cat, and suspension over the years ... was there something else that impacted the weight? 22 pounds is a lot.

I know many or most riders aren't that concerned with this amount of weight, but it's one of the things that I am going to consider when I'm choosing which model year to pick up, and I just haven't been able to find an explanation of where the weight was dropped. There's a decent local deal on a 2013, for example, and if most of the weight loss between 2013 and 2016 is in the wheels and / or exhaust, I might grab the 2013 and budget for lighter replacements a bit later.

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The rear shocks are Showa, as are the forks
As has been the case on all Harleys for decades.
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I always thought weight listings were DRY weight, No oil or gasoline. Maybe I'm wrong?
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Unless those weight figures are a lot more accurate than some of the other specs that Harley posts, I wouldn't read too much into them.
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wet weight on the 2010 model was reported as 567 pounds, the 2013 is listed at 573 pounds, and the 2016+ lists 551 pounds.
Where did you get the 2013 and 2016+ weights from?

In the 2013 Service Manual, the weight 'in running order' is given as 567 lbs. It says that that weight includes a 90% full tank of fuel.

The 2015 Service Manual says 562 lbs. Interestingly, both years have the same weight (562 lbs) for the '72. I believe that any changes between those two years were the same for the '72 as for the '48, so one of those weights must be wrong. Maybe the 2010-13 '48 weight is a typo that was corrected by 2015?

The H-D website gives the weight of the 2018 '48 as 545 lbs dry, and 556 lbs 'in running order'.

The weight 'in running order' on the website is with a half full tank. Or it used to be; have they changed it? It doesn't say on there now what 'in running order' means. The difference between a half full '48 tank and a 90% full tank is about a pound.

So it seems to me that we're looking at a change in weight of at most 11 lbs, and possibly only 5 lbs.

Would that make it more reasonable that it's due to the change from spoked to alloy wheels?
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Where did you get the 2013 and 2016+ weights from?

In the 2013 Service Manual, the weight 'in running order' is given as 567 lbs. It says that that weight includes a 90% full tank of fuel.

The 2015 Service Manual says 562 lbs. Interestingly, both years have the same weight (562 lbs) for the '72. I believe that any changes between those two years were the same for the '72 as for the '48, so one of those weights must be wrong. Maybe the 2010-13 '48 weight is a typo that was corrected by 2015?

The H-D website gives the weight of the 2018 '48 as 545 lbs dry, and 556 lbs 'in running order'.

The weight 'in running order' on the website is with a half full tank. Or it used to be; have they changed it? It doesn't say on there now what 'in running order' means. The difference between a half full '48 tank and a 90% full tank is about a pound.

So it seems to me that we're looking at a change in weight of at most 11 lbs, and possibly only 5 lbs.

Would that make it more reasonable that it's due to the change from spoked to alloy wheels?
That could be, Folkie ... My source for the non-current wet weight is the Cycle World bike profile. Here's the 2013: https://www.cycleworld.com/2013-harl...er-forty-eight. The 2018 profile on that site matches the HD website. With what you're pointing out about changes in what "in running order" has meant, I wonder if there's some combination of typos and "how much gas do we include," like you say. There's not much gas in a 48 tank even when full, but a gallon of gas weighs about 6.3 pounds (or so Google tells me, lol). And who knows, with me using Cycle World as a source ... they're certainly not an "official channel" for HD specs.

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Oh, there's another source I was using for the 2014 and newer and specs, Horsepower HD. Here's their page with the 2016 specs showing the claimed 551 pound "in running order" weight: https://www.horsepowerhd.com/invento...ations-heading
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so the 2016 onwards is the lightest, that's interesting.
The rear shocks are Showa, as are the forks and the forks are 49mm dia so chances are the wall thickness is less???
The alloy wheels would likely be most of it, no tubes, and while spoke wheels look cool they're notoriously heavy so maybe that's it.
TBH i don't think there's much else that's different!
2014 on gets you ABS here as std, not sure about where you are, that's about all there is
Hi Cropduster - over here we don't get ABS as standard, so I'm guessing it's not that. I was wondering about the front fork change ... at first I thought it would be heavier, but maybe the walls can be thinner with the larger diameter as you mention.
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dunno mate, just a guess but the wheels, forks and shocks are pretty well the only changes. Looking at the links though i'd hazard a guess and say the dry weight on the dealer page is a typo and Folkie is right, there's only few pounds between them.

I say this because i've had the wheels out of mine and even though they're cast alloy not spoked they're still not light, mine has ABS and the security system as std which undoubtedly adds more weight than one without (obviously) but mine is still quite heavy though i haven't weighted it or any parts to know what the actual numbers are.

I doubt it will make much difference in the long run, it's a Harley, they're not fast, nor are they light, they are what they are, i can't think of a worse candidate for a weight loss program because even though you could make it significantly lighter than it is it will always be heavier than any serious sports oriented bike, even naked like Monsters or Diavels etc.
Thanks ... Yes, I'm betting there are typos involved now as well. Weight is not the only thing on my mind, and I'm not starting this as a serious weight loss project. I know it will never be as light as my '88, or my Ducati. I've always shied away from bikes over 550 pounds. Worried about my lack of strength for picking it up if I have to lay it down, I guess - even though I'm a tall girl, I'm not that strong. Some of my girlfriends ride big twins and full-size Indians without worrying about it, though, and like you said, it's probably down to only a very few pounds anyway. But having learned on a Honda Rebel and a Suzuki TU250, even my '88 883, which I've lightened down to about 460 pounds full of gas, feels rather heavy to me.
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Unless those weight figures are a lot more accurate than some of the other specs that Harley posts, I wouldn't read too much into them.
Yup what he said /\
I am not sure about Harley but some Companies figure bike weight in the engineering dept from drawings.
None of the Harley’s are cutting edge sport bikes so weight + or - 2% might not be a big deal to most people. pick one you like and go ride.
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