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I'm in the National Guard. My uniform says "US Army", not "National Guard". We do the same job, suffer the same hard times, are gone from our families just the same, and we bleed the same blood. You can either decide to stand behind our ENTIRE military, or stand infront of us. Your choice.

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That's what I thought. I thought we were all on the same team, But apparently some of the guys down south didn't think so, I think it stems from the whole civil war thing.
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To attempt to answer the original question; the reason the NG is looked down upon is a combination of ignorance as to what the NG is, and a less than stellar reputation from the past.

There are many people who don't understand that the NG is part of the Army or AF and not an entirely separate force (even thought the NG CG is now an equal member of the JCS). They think there is a easier version of basic training that the part time soldiers go to.

There is also the fact that back during the Vietnam War, the NG was often the place where people would hide out. They would join the NG and then not have to worry about being drafted and actually having to go to war. This justifiably angered Vietnam War Vets who didn't see these NG soldiers as brothers in arms.

However, in the post 9/11 military everyone is getting a bite of the shit sandwich. I'll use myself as an example. I have never been RA(Regular Army) but I have almost 7 years of AD time on my most recent DD214. After attending Basic Training and Infantry AIT at Ft. Benning in 97/98 I was in served in the Guard doing the traditional one weekend a month and a 2-3 week AT every year. I deployed to Iraq in 2004 and returned in 2006. I deployed to Iraq again in 07-08. 3 months after getting home I got selected for WOCS and flight school. So I went to Ft. Rucker for 22 months. I received my Warrant alongside the other RA soldiers. I went through the same OBC (Flight School) as all the other Army aviators. 1 week after getting back from flight school, I deployed for a 3rd time to Iraq. My stick buddy in flight school (not as gay as it sounds, which isn't saying much) was RA for 9 years and has never deployed, I, the part time soldier, have gone over 3 times so far.

As an Army Aviator, I have the same flight time requirements as RA pilots, and we are evaluated to EXACTLY the same standards. I fly 1-2 days a week not including my 1 weekend a month and 2-3 weeks a year. I also, have to juggle my military commitments with civilian employment.

There are a lot of active duty personnel who don't like to acknowledge the fact that some of their fellow soldiers, airmen, or marines can do their job to the same standard, without spending every day perfecting it.

Bottom line: bullets, IEDs, and RPGs don't care what your status is. The United States Military is the best trained and most deadly military in history because of the dedication and professionalism of ALL it's members. God bless all of my fellow Veterans, and remember those who gave their lives for our country.
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I joined the National Guard after active duty and stayed for 10 years. Great group of dedicated personnel. Second rate gear, poor state support but mission ready. My father joined the Guard in 1939 for supposedly a 6 month training. He came home in 1945 an E-9 with many pacific theater invasions, some easy and some like Okinawa, Makin and Siapan - a real nightmare. Anyone who looks down on the Guard is just flat out wrong. We work in a career with civilian bills and obligations that we are ready to drop at a moments notice - possibly losing our homes and defaulting on debts to unsympathetic bankers and we face coworkers who think we are off partying and project their displeasure with US policy on to us. We come home, pick up the pieces and are ready to do it all over again.

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I have always felt I had to defend myself for spending 1970-1979 in Army Reserves. Granted I initially got in because I did not believe in what was going on in Vietnam, and my draft number was 17. (I was sworn in reserves December 7, 1970 and got my draft notice December 24, 1970). I felt I had an obligation to the military, was not a CO nor was I going to Canada or had the money for college. True, this was an "easy" way out for a lot of guys. And the Vietnam vets did not have much use for ER/NG. But when we went to summer camp, we took things seriously. I served in 8" self-propelled artillery unit. We had several summer camps where the active Army would train us and rate us. They were literally amazed that we could do the things we did. One year we were one of the first Reserve units to direct fire 8" artillery and we scored 8 of the first 12 shots as direct hits. The regular Army people told us no other Reserve unit had more than 1 or 2 direct hits first time out. We knew our stuff around the guns. We trained hard and well. But we still were weekend warriors. We had fun, but worked our tails off.
So I believe the Vietnam era was where the Reserve units got their stigma as a bunch of flakes and screw offs. Today is a different story. I only wish now that I had gone in and taken my chances. Do I regret it? Not a bit. Do I wish things were different? Yeah, I do. Would I do it over? In a heart beat. We need the Reserves and Guards. They are a valuable part of the military branches. I have as much respect for a Reservist and Guard as I do regular Army.
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Dec. 13, 1636. This is the day the Massachusett's government (first gov. in the colonies) established the first Militia of citizen soldiers, a National Guard. Having grown up as an Air Force brat and lived in places like Germany, Spain, Morocco, and several states, I feel I understand military life very well. My father did 3 tours in Vietnam while us kids had to sit here in the US and watch all the war BS on TV. My pride in this country got me to join the Natl. Guard in 1981. I think those were some of the best years for me. I feel honored to have been one of this country's "Minutemen"

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I feel honored to have been one of this country's "Minutemen"

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The current stigma against the Guard and Reserve is really a holdover from OEF/OIF 1, where most of them hadnt deployed since the First Gulf War, and hadn't really trained up like AD in the years between, and were therefore far less than adequately prepared for those conflicts. Nowadays you have Guardsmen/Reservists who have as much overseas time as any AD service member, and an overall MUCH more experienced reserve force.


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The old days are long gone and any anti-Guard BS is precisely that. IDGAF about civilian opinions since most know nothing.

Guard and Reserve service can be very good careers and any G.I. who doesn't plan his career isn't thinking. They have such long careers many units (ANG for example) have more collective deployment experience than active units with higher turnover. I stayed active for the earlier retirement but wouldn't have hesitated to go Guard or Reserve if it suited my needs. There are "many ways to serve" so why not choose wisely? Our local ANG unit did fine in Desert Storm and subsequent deployments to present day. Many were prior Shaw AFB so I'd worked with them before. Another advantage of long local careers is fewer maggots because those who p1$$ off their co-workers won't usually get a promotion slot.

The US can't afford a permanent enormous force. The Guard and Reserve are absolutely necessary to operations and readiness.
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