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Old 10th November 2015
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I've got a sticky situation with the Wisconsin DMV/DOT that I'm looking for advice on how to handle it.

I bought an '04 XL1200 to build a chopper. Took the motor out and bought a rolling chassis to start the build. I was advised to mail the original title for the '04 along with the MSO (manuf cert of orgin) for the frame to the DMV so that I could title the motor with the new frame and have it be legit.

They sent me a letter back stating that they would have to inspect the build and that it would now be a 2015 homemade bike, not an '04. The last thing I want is to have to get it inspected since it's going to be bare bones not going to pass with no horn, blinkers, etc. etc.

So I sent a letter back to them stating that I have decided to no longer build the bike and I am going to just license the '04 that I bought and subsequently selling the new frame (this was a fib as I am mid-build.) I requested all of my documentation to be mailed back.

They sent me another letter saying that they now need to inspect the original bike to ensure that it wasn't altered.

So my question is now what??? I hope I didn't screw myself. Can they keep my records and not return them?? Any thoughts guys?

Thanks!
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I've got a sticky situation with the Wisconsin DMV/DOT that I'm looking for advice on how to handle it.

I bought an '04 XL1200 to build a chopper. Took the motor out and bought a rolling chassis to start the build. I was advised to mail the original title for the '04 along with the MSO (manuf cert of orgin) for the frame to the DMV so that I could title the motor with the new frame and have it be legit.

They sent me a letter back stating that they would have to inspect the build and that it would now be a 2015 homemade bike, not an '04. The last thing I want is to have to get it inspected since it's going to be bare bones not going to pass with no horn, blinkers, etc. etc.

So I sent a letter back to them stating that I have decided to no longer build the bike and I am going to just license the '04 that I bought and subsequently selling the new frame (this was a fib as I am mid-build.) I requested all of my documentation to be mailed back.

They sent me another letter saying that they now need to inspect the original bike to ensure that it wasn't altered.

So my question is now what??? I hope I didn't screw myself. Can they keep my records and not return them?? Any thoughts guys?

Thanks!
Personally if it were me I would have built it and called it
an 04 considering it has an 04 engine. IMO they didn't need
to know what you were doing. As far as they were concerned
it was an 04 XL 1200. When I converted my 883 to a 1200
I didn't notify the insurance company or motor vehicles.
I don't see how they can keep your paperwork and request
that it be inspected without being registered or insured .
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I'm confused... How is it not an '04?

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Well every state handles home builds or custom bikes differently.
Most states need an inspection to verify serial numbers. This to crack down on stolen parts.

Also most use the frame number for registration, new frame new build.
Remember on a new Harley the frame number is what is used.
The engine VIN is a subset of the frame #.

I did a build with and 2004 frame and 2006 engine, WY DMV has it as a 2004 custom build. My bike was inspected about 3 times, but again they only looked
at the serial numbers.

Find a local MC builder to see what this inspection really is in your state.
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How about putting signals and horn on it just for the inspection?
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Why don't you use the neck on the old frame on the new custom one? seems simple enough and then it will be an 04, motor and frame?
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I've got a sticky situation with the Wisconsin DMV/DOT that I'm looking for advice on how to handle it.

I bought an '04 XL1200 to build a chopper. Took the motor out and bought a rolling chassis to start the build. I was advised to mail the original title for the '04 along with the MSO (manuf cert of orgin) for the frame to the DMV so that I could title the motor with the new frame and have it be legit.

They sent me a letter back stating that they would have to inspect the build and that it would now be a 2015 homemade bike, not an '04. The last thing I want is to have to get it inspected since it's going to be bare bones not going to pass with no horn, blinkers, etc. etc.

So I sent a letter back to them stating that I have decided to no longer build the bike and I am going to just license the '04 that I bought and subsequently selling the new frame (this was a fib as I am mid-build.) I requested all of my documentation to be mailed back.

They sent me another letter saying that they now need to inspect the original bike to ensure that it wasn't altered.

So my question is now what??? I hope I didn't screw myself. Can they keep my records and not return them?? Any thoughts guys?

Thanks!
Keeping in mind that every state is different bare with me here.

You pretty much screwed up going about it the way you did. You can probably get a your title for that stock frame back but may have to do some fighting. Most states won't let you "part out" a motorcycle and keep the stock title. Which is technically what they consider you to be doing.

Ultimately if you are going to register that new build your going to have to have it inspected. Temporary safety devices will need to be installed. You need to find out what the bare minimum is. And a 2015 assembled or custom title may be all you can get.

DO NOT think you can ride that bike with the 2004 stock title and no matching numbers on the frame. titles follow frames since they started putting vins on them. 1970 in the case of big twins. Anyone with a title matching motor only is breaking the law. Every state goes about titling a custom different. generally a new title with your frame vin is issued.

The only way around this is using a titled hacked up frame for your build.

So basically there are two ways to do it. Your half way through one of them. But your gonna have to do the inspection thing.

You don't want to do it illegally and have it questioned later on and get your scoot impounded.

Best of luck however you proceed. And for the record I think the way the laws are written is lame.
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I'd look into finding someone that could weld your factory neck to the new frame, provided you aren't capable of doing it yourself.
As far as inspection stuff, I don't think you have to have turn signals as they are not required in Wisconsin. It is easy enough to wire a horn in temporarily.
This is why I just put a hardtail on my frame.
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In case you want to read what they care about.

http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/safety...h/default.aspx
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