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I am surprised about they are installing conventional FP3. I thought dealer reflashes ECU with some their own proprietary computer.
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In Kuwait the dealership is not allowed to use SE tuner, the EPA has made that illegal for them to even import. I guess these rules are same in all GCC countries. There are a few good dynos for bikes though, none of them will consider tuning with FP3, Power Vision is the way to go.
As for the quotation you've got, that is not bad (compared to Kuwait).
$ 196 is what you'd get charged per hour for labor at the dealer over here.

With regards to filter oiling, each time you clean it... for street cars we recommend 5000 km, for off road as needed. Basically, when the filter gets dirty/discolored, spray some Simple Green on the outside, wait 15 minutes, rinse from inside out. If still dirty, repeat, then let dry, and apply LIGHT coating of filter oil on the outside.
That makes the dust stick to the outer wire mesh, rather than penetrate the gauze filter element.
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Labor is rather inexpensive.
Well, I guess it is an hourly rate, installing an air cleaner and mufflers is a half an hour job anyway, the other half an hour is for plugging in FP3 and waiting for the VH map to download
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I am surprised about they are installing conventional FP3. I thought dealer reflashes ECU with some their own proprietary computer.
They can, but what the dealership can/will do flashing the ECU is very limited and won't do much in the part throttle area where you spend the most time. I'd definitely go with Powervision over a FP3.
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They can, but what the dealership can/will do flashing the ECU is very limited and won't do much in the part throttle area where you spend the most time. I'd definitely go with Powervision over a FP3.
Thank you for advice! Even if my thrift will keep me from upgrade, I think that idea to purchase only tuner is good.
I have very positive experience about re-jetting carb towards richer mixture on older bike. So little change, but so smooth and cooler engine run in results.
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The main reason you are correct to get the engine to run cooler with more fuel. But if the dealer does the work, they will probably maintain the AFR at the factory level. I would probably just wait out the warranty then get what you really want. $2000 isn't cheap for something that isn't really gaining a lot if they are just going to set it back to the lean settings.

I have $3k in mine including engine mods, pipes, and Thundermax. Though the labor was mine. I'm pretty sure getting work done in the UAE isn't cheap.

The RPMs you are running are not going to take advantage of any real HP mods. Most don't break away from the normal HD curve until above 4K. The Hammer Performance website is the best at describing the various set ups. Some of it is not accurate as the HP gain was overstated on certain combinations. Not that they were being dishonest but it was more like a perfect scenario that aligned and is not repeatable across the board.
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I would start out with a Power Vision tuner. It's the best one available and only costs a little more than the other inferior units.

It will let you optimize the bike as is (will likely see a little power bump) and will be required if you're planning on doing other mods in the future, so start there. It's easy to save your maps or disconnect the unit if you need to take it in to the dealership. They're pretty straightforward to use too... if you can post on this forum you can run a tune with a Power Vision.
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I found mentions on forums, that H-D screaming eagle filter is dry, not oiled, unlike K&N filters. Now exploring a question of filtering quality.
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I found mentions on forums, that H-D screaming eagle filter is dry, not oiled, unlike K&N filters. Now exploring a question of filtering quality.
Originally the screaming eagle high flow air filter was K&N.
Then H-D started using paper about as strong as toilet tissue. Do not know if that has still continued.
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I would start out with a Power Vision tuner. It's the best one available and only costs a little more than the other inferior units.

It will let you optimize the bike as is (will likely see a little power bump) and will be required if you're planning on doing other mods in the future, so start there. It's easy to save your maps or disconnect the unit if you need to take it in to the dealership. They're pretty straightforward to use too... if you can post on this forum you can run a tune with a Power Vision.
I am surprised that fuel maps in ECU software have no protection from alteration, such as digital signature, or at least overwrite logging. Even mobile phones firmware nowadays more protected.
How did EPA and manufacturers overlooked this?

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Then H-D started using paper about as strong as toilet tissue.
That sounds a bit disturbing
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