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15th June 2019
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,068 Sportster/Buell Model: dragbike Sportster/Buell Year: 1960
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MAF ? Speed Density ? MAP on an IR ?
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15th June 2019
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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Few more pics if you guys are interested.
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groove for large external spiralok

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Roughed out man with internal o-ring for int seal. Bolts to alum flange drawing in against spiralok and sealing on outer edge of spigot. Nothing special but very secure.
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Next it gets machined to accept the stock throttle body seal from Buell XB9. Stock TB pops into that.
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Tweaked the chassis a bit.
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Tried to keep the stock(?) tank and tray locations. Remove the cast piece and sent it off to Spacecoast to one day live again.
The list of things done is shorter than the still need to do, but Im closing the gap slowly. I have pics of the swingarm mods, the tank mounting mods, the front lower fork mods, the Boatail seat mounts, the XR tail section option mounts ect ect ect ect.....it all means nothing until it runs.
Eng internals are another story.
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15th June 2019
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmom9r
MAF ? Speed Density ? MAP on an IR ?
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Yes. was planning on a connecting tube to calm the signal. Any thoughts? Im open to suggestions.
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15th June 2019
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Senior Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,873 Sportster/Buell Model: Custom Sputhe XR Sportster/Buell Year: 19** Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1965
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I know from experience the long runners are nice for setup to keep the carbs away from extremities, great for torque also, but I had idle issues.
The charge would fall out of suspension at low idle.
It’s nice to be able to tuck the TBIs in close.
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15th June 2019
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chevelle
I know from experience the long runners are nice for setup to keep the carbs and filters away from extremities, great for torque also, but I had idle issues.
The charge would fall out of suspension at low idle.
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Do you recall the lengths? I am using 4500RPM for my math and physically getting there as close to those lengths within reason. Plan is to place injectors fairly close to the heads.
Guys please keep the comments and suggestions coming. I by know means have all the answers and am completely open to input good or bad. Who knows, this all may be destined for the scrap heap and stock heads put back on.
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15th June 2019
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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"The ring gear looks like a good candidate for a clutch signal. I prefer to try to make the kicker work though."
Pulled head out of ass this morn and have to retract that statement. Ring gear is a horrible candidate for clutch slip for what should have been an obvious observation. Perhaps chopper wheel on hub studs may be a better option.
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3 Weeks Ago
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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3 Weeks Ago
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cornelius, OR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Mike
Yes. was planning on a connecting tube to calm the signal. Any thoughts? Im open to suggestions.
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AlphaN tuning which uses TPS rather than MAP for determining load, you are not likely going to get a serviceable map signal much above idle.
MegaSquirt provides a way to blend AlphaN and SD tuning, MSExtra calls it ITB mode. (ITB = Individual Throttle Body)
MSExtra also provides a way to define a MAP sampling window, but I don't think that will help in this situation.
http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/Megas...ing_Up-3.4.pdf
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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Yep, ditched the MAP, it will be direct to atmosphere and will be TPS based.
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3 Weeks Ago
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Senior Chief Harley Engineer 1st Class
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Posts: 1,311 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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This is what I am using with the data logging feature.
https://www.motec.com.au/m800/m800features/
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