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My ’15 XL1200CP is just shy of 16k miles. Replacing the OEM clutch and spring plate with a Barnett Kevlar Extra-Plate kit using a James Foamet primary-cover gasket.

The spring plate was still intact.

Per my ‘14 H-D factory service manual:
- Use 2-3 drops of Loctite 243 (more oil tolerant than 242) on the primary case bolts
https://dgs.oce.com/PrinterSupport/P...43_MSDS_EN.pdf
- Use thread sealant on the drain plug even though it has an o-ring
- Torque
- — Primary bolts: 100-120 in-lbs
- — Inspection cover bolts: 90-120 in-lbs

The bottle of Loctite 243 says to use Loctite Klean ‘n’ Prime to prep the threads. Could not find Klean ‘n’Prime at any of the local supply houses.

Questions:
- Is it necessary to try and get thread sealant in the female threads of the holes for the primary-case bolts?
- Per some comments on the Internet, Klean ‘n’ Prime is just very expensive acetone?
- I know that some fsm torque values are incorrect. Are the torque values from the ‘14 fsm correct?







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Things have really changed since 07 I guess. Besides the torque values and the suggestion of using blue lock tight for the primary bolts, I don't remember seeing any of that other stuff (going to look when I get home). As far as the drain plug, I have never used lock tight or thread sealant on any of my motors and have never lost a drain plug on a motor in 50 years. It seems to me to be a little excessive and more of a corporate CYA thing IMHO.
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I didn’t know about the oil-tolerant Loctite 243 until I read the clutch section of my ‘14 fsm. I thought it might be a misprint.
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Per my ‘14 H-D factory service manual:
- Use 2-3 drops of Loctite 243 (more oil tolerant than 242) on the primary case bolts
https://dgs.oce.com/PrinterSupport/P...43_MSDS_EN.pdf
- Use thread sealant on the drain plug even though it has an o-ring
- Torque
- — Primary bolts: 100-120 in-lbs
- — Inspection cover bolts: 90-120 in-lbs

The bottle of Loctite 243 says to use Loctite Klean ‘n’ Prime to prep the threads. Could not find Klean ‘n’Prime at any of the local supply houses.
FWIW, Per my ’98 fsm:
I could not find any mention of Loctite in the clutch section
- Torque
- — Primary-cover bolts: 80-110 in-lbs (1/4x20, mix of 1.75 & 2.25 lengths)
- — Inspection cover bolts: 40-60 in-lbs (same 1/4-20x5/8 bolt as current models)

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My 1994 manual says Primary Cover bolts should torque to 90-110 in-lbs - so that should be right...
- and the Inspection Cover should torque to 40-60 in-lbs - so I don't know if your bolts are larger...
In any case, I usually just tighten until 'that seems good' from expereince (rather than break out the torque wrench)

Loctite on the bolts should be sufficient to get into the case female threads - just clean the holes...

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Oh the mighty FSM just spoken; I have never squirt any fluid in the female hole of any dead end thread. You want to see what hydrolocking do to a aluminum casing then, just do it.

I have repaired lot of holes that just split because of oil or loctite or thread anti-size.

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My 1994 manual says Primary Cover bolts should torque to 90-110 in-lbs - so that should be right...
- and the Inspection Cover should torque to 40-60 in-lbs - so I don't know if your bolts are larger...
In any case, I usually just tighten until 'that seems good' from expereince (rather than break out the torque wrench)

Loctite on the bolts should be sufficient to get into the case female threads - just clean the holes...
Thanks for replying. I asked about getting Loctite into the female threads because when I was looking for info about Loctite 243, I found this:
Using Loctite 243

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Oh the mighty FSM just spoken; I have never squirt any fluid in the female hole of any dead end thread. You want to see what hydrolocking do to a aluminum casing then, just do it.

I have repaired lot of holes that just split because of oil or loctite or thread anti-size.
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