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Please show proof. Yet again you have shown NO PROOF that you are not required to check for oncoming and overtaking cars when turning.
Depends on jurisdiction

California Vehicle Code

DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

CHAPTER 4. Right-of-Way [21800 - 21809] ( Chapter 4 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

21801.

(a) The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left or to complete a U-turn upon a highway, or to turn left into public or private property, or an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are close enough to constitute a hazard at any time during the turning movement, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to the approaching vehicles until the left turn or U-turn can be made with reasonable safety.

(b) A driver having yielded as prescribed in subdivision (a), and having given a signal when and as required by this code, may turn left or complete a U-turn, and the drivers of vehicles approaching the intersection or the entrance to the property or alley from the opposite direction shall yield the right-of-way to the turning vehicle.
(Amended by Stats. 1993, Ch. 272, Sec. 40. Effective August 2, 1993.)
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Traffic laws are not designed to assign blame, traffic laws are designed to prevent accidents. Enforcing the traffic laws is a whole other subject.
They are used for both and adherence to the applicable vehicle code helps a crash investigation determine who is party one (at fault) and who is party two (not at fault) or if both are at fault.
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I've spent more time than I care to admit reading the Pennsylvania code related to "RULES OF THE ROAD IN GENERAL" (Title 75 Subsection 33). I am not a lawyer, but seems to me how section 3305 (Limitations on overtaking on left) reads that the vehicle overtaking has to yield to those making a left turn.
That is true in most states, as is the prohibition of passing at an intersection or passing over a double yellow line.
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How can a person prove that something is not illegal?
Established by the absence of a statute prohibiting said action within the affected jurisdiction.
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In the case of Florida:

TITLE XXIII - MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316 - STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
316.122 - Vehicle turning left.

Universal Citation: FL Stat § 316.122 (2014)

316.122 Vehicle turning left.—The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left within an intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to any vehicle approaching from the opposite direction, or vehicles lawfully passing on the left of the turning vehicle, which is within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

History.—s. 1, ch. 71-135; s. 118, ch. 99-248; s. 29, ch. 2005-164.

Notice LAWFULLY passing on the left in Florida..
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Left turn yields to all incoming and overtaking traffic. Period.
Really?

A while back I was stopped in a left turn lane, when the green arrow appeared I paused for a second to make sure the cross traffic stopped. Before I moved a cage passed me on the left, going west in the eastbound lane, and would have hit me broadside if I had attempted my turn.


I would have been dead, or seriously injured, but who would have been at fault?
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It is my understanding that in watercraft, aircraft and motor vehicles that the overtaking vessel, aircraft, motor vehicle must yield to vehicle being overtaken. This is world wide, not incident specific. But regardless, I ride defensively and assume everyone around me is an idiot. Been avoiding idiots for over 50 years with an occasional user error.
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It is my understanding that in watercraft, aircraft and motor vehicles that the overtaking vessel, aircraft, motor vehicle must yield to vehicle being overtaken. This is world wide, not incident specific. But regardless, I ride defensively and assume everyone around me is an idiot. Been avoiding idiots for over 50 years with an occasional user error.
Since this is a Sportster forum, analogy to boats may not be appropriate Now, if this were a BT forum...

However, all joking aside, both the US and Canada require a boat in a crossing situation to yield to an area between dead ahead and 112.5 degrees to the right.

In an overtaking situation, "any vessel overtaking any other vessel must keep out the way of the vessel being overtaken" in the US. Canada advises the vehicle being overtaken to not change course.

https://www.boatus.org/study-guide/navigation/rules/

Riding/driving with consideration for others saves lives/road rage/jail, etc.

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