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hummm interesting, 100 clams?
truth is you can do it with some diodes for about 4 bucks. computers are stupid can only do what is told and if corn-fused, basically shut down. diodes are pretty stable and hold a constant .6>.7 drop.
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hummm interesting, 100 clams?
truth is you can do it with some diodes for about 4 bucks. computers are stupid can only do what is told and if con-fused, basically shut down. diodes are pretty stable and hold a constant .6>.7 drop.

Yes. . you're probably right. . if you choose the right diodes.

Yes diodes will work, but you still need a pair of HD connectors, wiring, looming and hopes you get it all durable, reliable, and weather tight. So then you won't have to hack into factory wiring and try and make diodes work.

I'm fully aware of what's inside the X14IEDs. Did 30 years as an engineering Tech for a major avionics and automotive electronics supplier including ECM/PCM development and manufacturing.

And. .Hmmm, the truth is, you could buy some parts and build a whole motorcycle. So your point is . . negative info or to let us know that you know "stuff"?

That said .. I only paid $60 for the set from a guy that bought what he thought was a "tune".

You can also get X14IEDs on Ebay brand new for $80 to $90 if you watch for price drop changes.

Not saying IEDs are for everyone, but just listed my experience and pertinent Sportster configuration details to help anyone who might consider them.
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sure in the hell not disss'g you.
every one thinks something is white on rice and hopes everyone jumps on it like a duck on a june bug.
my observation is like the purpose of the forum is to open minds. sure, i have a bridge to sell you, located in brooklyn. is it ethical?? hummmm probably not.
like regulators in past posts, company touts the the hd stuff is crapola, truth told, no more failure than the norm, even theirs will fail. the truth is a lot of regulators are replaced needlessly. ole wives tales surround the mystique of them because they do not understand how they actually work, sending massive amounts of power to ground is not the case, think of a light switch!
i do not tout my background, needless and moot.
another case in point, load equalizers, some like to sell for megga bucks, truth told, less than 10 bucks from local outlets.
as far a aesthetics, let the owner decide what he wants. off the shelf fine, but for others, it is part of the experience.
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Now, will the X14IEDs do the same for all FI Sportsters? I have read that the ECM from 2007 to 2010 are pretty much the same.

The bottom line is results do seem to be model year dependent as well as what other intake/exhaust mods there may be.
I had a 07 1200 Custom that I kept stock for 6 years and then I decided to stage 1, first I put on the Rush with 2" baffles for about 2 months without much change in performance. When I added the DK AC my bike started popping on decel and an occasional backfiring. When I installed the Xied's it brought it back to smooth with only a little popping.

All newer HD's from the factory run lean to meet EPA requirements. Using a tuner or Xied's on a stock bike will probably not yield much results, but opening up the airflow in and out of the engine will make the bike run too lean without overwriting the ECM (tuner) or fooling the tuner by giving false readings from the oxygen sensor (Xieds), either way your enriching the fuel to the engine to find a balance between air and fuel.

My take is; that while Xied's work well as a cheap alternative to resolve this issue for the every day rider, it won't give you the maximum performance that is available with the stage 1 upgrade. Every AC and pipe combination will have its own tune requirements to squeeze out the maximum performance and only a tuner can do that. With the Xied (or even the HD stage 1 flash) it will give you a middle of the road tune which is an improvement but not the optimum.

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I had a 07 1200 Custom that I kept stock for 6 years and then I decided to stage 1, first I put on the Rush with 2" baffles for about 2 months without much change in performance. When I added the DK AC my bike started popping on decel and an occasional backfiring. When I installed the Xied's it brought it back to smooth with only a little popping.
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Yup .. well aware of all that you said regarding all. I don't post here much, but doesn't mean I am not savvy as to the workings the Sportster and especially my 2009. In fact, I stay away from forums in general. I was just returning to provide some feedback in a thread I read some 2 years ago or more. I lurked here for years before even registering.
Not wanting to turn this into a "what is the best way to increase performance". Never mentioned it. Not here in this particular thread ( X14IEDS ) to discuss the merits of other stuff.

Again. . very simply giving folks what the X14IEDs would do on a 2009 1200C.
I bought them to remedy the aspects I DID point out. Smooth out the surge, rich up the AFR the 6% or so, both because stock is lean as you said and I wanted to install the Rush 1.75s. I deliberately stayed away from Rush 2" and 2.25" because of concern of backfire and too free flowing. Again. . did not and did not WANT to change the intake air cleaner, etc. Works good enough. Never implied the X14IEDs were to "hot rod" anyones ride.

So. . once again. Not looking for some dubious increase in performance, just to get away from the standard 2009 or so Sportster surge and excessively lean run. Although, the bike is very responsive. No bad effects and no decel pop for me .. . at all.

Notice I said. . . stock intake. If the stock parms are already lean. . why make it leaner?

So again, if someone IS interested in the minimal benefits X14IEDs provide, they do work as intended. They are not meant to take the place of a tune.

So, everyone, go back to my previous post regarding my experience with x14IEDs. Not claiming any more or less . . . not looking for a debate. Just relaying my findings. May work for you. . . it may not. Don't really care. I had many other bikes and just do what I do. 10 or 12 posts in 2 year is no indication of what my sum total of knowledge is. . . on any subject. Just thought I'd pop in and state my X14IED findings for those who might venture here. IEDs are not for use as a be all and end all. They worked well for the configuration I have and stated. That's all. Going back into lurk mode now. See ya'all in a few years. .. . maybe.

I surely am not saying any more than what I said. NO debate on what is better performance, more HP, torque, whatever.
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I only responded because you stated a couple open ended statements/questions. Sorry if I rained on your parade.
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Not sure what "couple of open ended' questions/statements. I stated nothing about performance gains just that it was responsive and no ill effects.

The only statement remotely stating a question was rhetorical regarding if the IEDs would work the same in other years or different configurations which I answered and nothing about power gains- -

" -Now, will the X14IEDs do the same for all FI Sportsters? I have read that the ECM from 2007 to 2010 are pretty much the same. So I would guess they would function as is my experience. I know owners of +2011 have varying experience with whether the X14IEDs will help or not. 2013(?) and after it is seems the Company used different ECMs, programming and cats in the exhaust or some combination of these. So possibly that kind of nulls out whether the X14IEDs work well or not.- "


Rule 37 and why I don't do forums too much: Endless debate, discussion and/or analysis of when someone is just relaying what their experience is with the stated topic.


Anyway, no offense taken, no harm done. I just wanted to simply state my experience and contribute to the topic. Not get into better, best, how much, why, what for . . . .

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Well OK then, (note to self - Never reply to, or have any conversation/discussion with JayTee2215) duly noted. Thanks, have a nice day
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