Ironhead an interesting vintage XLCH review...

[rejeanprimeau]

Originally Posted by kitabel

"Until I fully understood this principle I was having trouble with big heavy bikes"
Exactly my experience. I couldn't shift my 145 lbs. offside enough to make my Twin Cam go where I wanted it, until I decided to handle the bars as if I were in a rodeo! Approaching a curve too fast? Pull hard on that bar, the bike heels over like a ship with the rudder hard over. Problem solved.

It will feel a bit weird at first, but (if you know your mount well) if you use baby steps your confidence will grow, until you can weave in & out as if they were traffic cones instead of automobiles.

Pull hard on that bar will have the opposite effect, you remove weight from the other side. You've to push on that handlebar side to turn the way you want in countersteer.

[billeuze]

Originally Posted by rejeanprimeau

Pull hard on that bar will have the opposite effect, you remove weight from the other side. You've to push on that handlebar side to turn the way you want in countersteer.

Push on one side = Pull on other side, no difference. He didn’t say which side he was pulling on. So nothing to correct in what he said.

[joe s]

Pushing the bar and sliding your body into the turn should be one motion for smooth fast cornering. Add trail braking to this and it's a concert of movement that the best master and we enjoy watching in slow motion.

[rocketnorton]

Originally Posted by joe s

I agree, but it might have been sportys remained the same while the industry advanced around them?

it was and they pretty much said so in later articles
there was some enthusiasm there [cw] when the xr came out, tho

[Ferrous Head]

Originally Posted by joe s

Pushing the bar and sliding your body into the turn should be one motion for smooth fast cornering. Add trail braking to this and it's a concert of movement that the best master and we enjoy watching in slow motion.

"Moderns" are ridden quite differently now.

You "square off" the corner. Leave the braking until the last minute and then stand on the brakes. Flick the bike through the tightest angle you can, then accelerate out of it.

The really fast guys carry the front wheel through the corner with the back wheel spinning. (Don't try that at home)

But this can cause problems when you mix the two styles. We even have this problem with sidecars when we run "mixed" periods.

When your riding with your mates it helps to know which style they are using.

[joe s]

Originally Posted by Ferrous Head

"Moderns" are ridden quite differently now.

You "square off" the corner. Leave the braking until the last minute and then stand on the brakes. Flick the bike through the tightest angle you can, then accelerate out of it.

I was taught old school, what they call vintage roadracing now, and slight 2-wheel drift is as radical as I got. I concede that watching Moto GP I can't tell what line they are taking, but they do spin that back wheel like a dirt bike. I guess it started with supercross, but they have banked corners to square off?

[Ferrous Head]

Nope, no banking's.

They guys that ride like that are young, fit and have perfect balance, perfect throttle control and a lot of experience.

But your right, they are riding them like dirt bikes, but on tarmack.

Of course, I can still ride like that, I just choose not too. (Also Ducati are really pi**ed at me and won't give me a bike.)

[joe s]

Originally Posted by Ferrous Head

Nope, no banking's.

I meant the supercross guys have high banked turns

[rejeanprimeau]

Originally Posted by billeuze

Push on one side = Pull on other side, no difference. He didn’t say which side he was pulling on. So nothing to correct in what he said.

Approaching a curve pull hard on ''that'' bar, the side of the curve go???

''That opposite'' bar will have be more easy to understand.

Ah never mind, oups wrong thread.