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Default Leaking oil line replacement lead to Knocking sound.

Hello, XLH community. Im fairly new to the community. I recently replaced my oil lines which were leaking. So I started off with 3 quarts like suggested. Replaced the 3/8 line and 1/2 line. (Not filling the tank to the full 3.5) As I start wrapping everything up im checking for leaks and such and I see none. I take it down the block 3-4 times all happy that it wasn't leaking. Then I noticed a small drop coming from the oil cap (note: initially started with 3 quarts) The oil was coming out from the oil cap. So I started cleaning the cap seeing the oil get higher and higher so I got confused. I went out to ride it again when I noticed there were no oil leaks after I wiped the cap. Going all out full throttle with the thought of it being fixed( for about 3-5 mins). So I come home I start hearing a knocking sound and small smoke coming from behind the battery (im assuming, its the oil coming from the oil tank cap and going down behind the battery.) Come to realize I hooked up the return output to the feed output. And The feed output to the return output. So im here now with an answer on why I got the overfilling of the oil tank. But the question is: what got messed up in the absence of the oil lubrication that leads the bike to knock. Currently going to replace the oil lines to the correct outputs to see if the noise goes away with the proper lubrication. Diving deeper into the manual I found some good reference pictures I wish I saw sooner. (Messed up thinking it was an easy job, turned it into a load of a job) Thank you for taking the time of your day to read this thread. I wish everyone a good weekend. Looking forward to resolving this problem.
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Your whole motor could be fxxxxed.
Rod bearings, crank bearings, cam bearings and the oil pump would be concerns to me afterwards.

Depending on how long and to what degree you went 'all out' will determine how much damage if was done.
Sometimes if the motor locks up from no oil, it may simmer down once it's cooled down with fresh oil.
Sometimes not.
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Wet sumping can give weird noise. Did you overfill the oil tank?

Always heat up the engine before an oil change, if some oil was left in the base you might over fill your engine.

Those dinosaur engine can run quite long on empty oil.

Just start with the basic stuff before splitting your case.
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Depending on how long and to what degree you went 'all out' will determine how much damage if was done.
Sometimes if the motor locks up from no oil, it may simmer down once it's cooled down with fresh oil.
Sometimes not.
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So you pumped all the oil from the motor into the tank and rode her full throttle 3-5 minutes?

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Might want to pull the drain line and filter. Try and catch all oil in pan. Shine a flashlight on the oil you collected from both sources. If me. I would let it sit overnight to make sure all oil has left the motor. To be real sure. Pull the plugs. Put her in nuetral. Spin the motor with the battery for a few seconds. 10 to 20 or so.

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So im here now with an answer on why I got the overfilling of the oil tank. But the question is: what got messed up in the absence of the oil lubrication that leads the bike to knock. Currently going to replace the oil lines to the correct outputs to see if the noise goes away with the proper lubrication.
The oil tank became "overfilled" because you scavenged ALL the oil out of the engine while putting none back in.

As to what got messed up, it depends how lucky you got. Usually the hydraulic lifters clatter first when you have no oil pressure. Sooo, put the oil lines back on correctly, drain the oil into a clean pan so you can look for debris, replace and save the filter, put oil in, fire it up and see how it sounds. Whatever damage was done, is done.
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The oil tank became "overfilled" because you scavenged ALL the oil out of the engine while putting none back in.

As to what got messed up, it depends how lucky you got. Usually the hydraulic lifters clatter first when you have no oil pressure. Sooo, put the oil lines back on correctly, drain the oil into a clean pan so you can look for debris, replace and save the filter, put oil in, fire it up and see how it sounds. Whatever damage was done, is done.
Sorry for not replying back quick enough. Thats my plan for this Thursday and Friday since I have the week off. See, I don't get a knocking sound when I turn out over...Just when it starts running I start hearing a knock. The bike didn't run for no more than 5-7 minutes during those 2 times I mentioned. Hoping that it isn't a big issue but once the oil lines are in the correct outputs ill be able to diagnose if it was the lack of oil in the engine, That made the engine knock sound. If that cures the sound then im good! But if the sound continues where should I proceed? Any reference links in diagnosing a knock? I REALLY appreciate the response from everyone.
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Your whole motor could be fxxxxed.
Rod bearings, crank bearings, cam bearings and the oil pump would be concerns to me afterwards.

Depending on how long and to what degree you went 'all out' will determine how much damage if was done.
Sometimes if the motor locks up from no oil, it may simmer down once it's cooled down with fresh oil.
Sometimes not.
By "all out" I maybe did full throttle on 2nd and 3rd. No higher than that. Both times were ran no longer than 7 minutes, tops 10. It ran on neutral with the knocking sound, but by then im sure all the oil was scavenged, into the oil tank that would explain the over filling of the tank. But once I heard the knock I took it home right away which was only 1 block away. Hope she didn't just turn into a summer project! fingers crossed!
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