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Harley has set up an assembly unit at Bawal, Haryana. In 2011, Harley-Davidson India began the assembly of its Sportster line followed by the assembly of the Dyna line in 2012 and Softail line in 2013. In 2014, Harley-Davidson began manufacturing the Street 750 and 500 motorcycles in India at Bawal, Haryana India, its only manufacturing facility outside of the US. The Street platform is jointly manufactured at Harley-Davidson’s US and India plants.

I've read it somewhere sooner and I tried to find it. It's as hard to find as the fact in what plant they are actually made in the US. This all make it seem that I'm wildly guessing now because I can't proof what I stated If someone can point out in what Harley-Davidson plant in the US the Pan American will be made I will rectify my post immediately. A VIN number will do also

If it is true it could also mean that Harley-Davidson will not make the new motorcycles themselves in India but instead manufacture through a strategic alliance like they did before with Aermacchi.
I believe all bikes made in the US are now made in York as they closed KC. Engines are made in Menomonee Falls WI. Plastic stuff is made in Tomahawk WI. This is based on their 10-K for 2018 (page 18). I have seen nothing indicating the PA will be made anywhere else. If it was planned to be made outside of the US then I am sure it would have hit the fan by now.

The only bike I am aware of that they are having someone else build is the small bike they are starting to make for China which is built specifically for them by a Chinese firm

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Getting back to the original post Stairman made: It reminds me of an older video of RevZilla. To me it makes sense what he is saying about the new buyers and the future of Harley-Davidson:

1. The future customers
2. The existing customers
3. Non customers

(video is about 6 minutes)

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I believe all bikes made in the US are now made in York as they closed KC. Engines are made in Menomonee Falls WI. Plastic stuff is made in Tomahawk WI. This is based on their 10-K for 2018 (page 18). I have seen nothing indicating the PA will be made anywhere else. If it was planned to be made outside of the US then I am sure it would have hit the fan by now.
I think you're correct, in that case the media would be all over the place.. But I'm almost sure I read it somewhere. Fake news!

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That's what I read too a while ago. Don't know the name of that company but it seems a 338cc single cylinder that is also known (with minor changes) under the name Benelli.
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I did a factory tour in August. At that time it was model change over so we couldn't see the manufacturing line. But we did see was lots of tanks. The Sportsters being one of them. As we walked up one isle they were setting up a large area for something. At the time the Bronx wasn't named. That being said I saw a wall chart of some sort that did say Bronx and it had a couple other names. I thought it might be code names but once they named the Bronx I had remembered seeing it. So once it's officially released we may see more models/ sub-models based on the Bronx.

Then at the gift shop the lady come back for the Steel Toe Tour because they had added 100,000 sq feet in the back for Livewire and the other new bikes.

So it doesn't seem that York is shutting down anytime soon.
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I'll definitely be kicking the tires on the new stuff. I like all of their new ideas, whether they live up to the hype or not will only come with time.

I do hope they put more smaller displacement bikes out in the USA, the new Electric line of small bikes and scooters soon to come look good. I would love to see those small dirt and dual purpose bikes come back to Harley.

My wife looked at the Livewire on the showroom floor and said the seat looked painful, LOL. She didn't even blink when I told her it was $30,000.
We like the new Electric Balance bikes, we plan on getting the bigger one for our grandson that turns 4 in March.

AFAIK all USA bikes will be built in USA.
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The Live wire is a nice looking bike on the showroom floor, road one of the pre release models years back during that demo tour, it was fun. I think it is about twice as expensive as it needs to be in order to fill the streets with them.
I hope the same is not true for the Pan Am. This is an exciting part of the market for HD to get into, I simply hope they do not try to out price the market as they have with the livewire.

Look at it this way, I went for some tp today, we need the RV style because of our septic system and have to go to a RV store, well on the way back I saw a group of really killer looking sporties in a parking lot so I pulled in. These were garage builds, all really nice and most were pre injection bikes. As I talked to the younger crowd, and I mean guys who all looked under 30, I asked about what they thought of HD, the answer is they love them, but can not afford 20,000 dollar motorcycles, they can afford 3 to 8 thousand for a used sporty.

I asked about the streets, I was told no after market support.

I hope HD is reading this, the kids that want to buy are not looking for Dressers, they want stripped down bikes they can customize. What hD needs to do is flood the market with streets and get a ton of aftermarket support going for it. That way they will develop the next generation of the faithful. Producing the main line of bikes that you need to make 70 grand plus a year to buy new is not helping get new riders to the brand.

what ever happened to supporting home wrenching by selling parts cheap? What ever happened to supporting racing efforts with bikes that were competitive? What ever happened to being faithful to the owners of the bikes, not the owners of the dealerships?

want to know why a dealer makes no money of a Street 750? Because he has to support a dealership that looks like a boutique and has 4 times the floor room space so it can sell 35 dollar teeshirts and 450 dollar jackets.

Even I wait till the new years styles come in so I can but the heavily discounted stuff.

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I like the Pan American, just might pick up one used at a good price if they price them like they do now.
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I can remember Harley shops with a big maintenance department and room in the showroom for 8-10 bike and a shelf of tshirts with the shop name on the back now there's 30 bikes on the floor and a room twice the size of the repair shop full of clothes and tshirts with nothing on the back their lucky to have 3or4 styles of tshirts with the shop logo on the back.

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