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Old 19th September 2020
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Default Kicker shaft question

When I tighten the nut that holds the starter crank gear on the kicker shaft (in side the primary, behind the clutch basket), the kicker shaft won't move. Loosen it and the shaft moves free.

I think this means the .007" starter crankshaft shim is missing. The parts book states this shim is "as required".

When I removed everything in the primary to get to the tranny I didn't remove the kicker shaft, just the nut, tab washer and kicker gear. Now I'm putting it back together and that's when I ran into this.

I just removed the shaft and noticed no shim, just that big odd shaped thrust washer (Thrust plate,starter shaft #33110-54).

This question might sound dumb but, the shaft won't move when tightened because the .007" shim is missing, right?
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Just to be clear, you do have the thrust plate washer outside of the case? I have seen guys install it on the inside with the same results you are having. The exploded view in the manual can be misleading. Also, is it registering on the stop pin correctly?
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Yes and yes. Outside and correctly positioned.
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The .007" shim would cause it to tighten up even more if you added it in. Any chance the thrust plate is flipped over? It is not quite symmetrically shaped.
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I'll have to double check that. Will report back. Thanks for the replies.
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i flipped my thrust plate over intentionally to face the worn side away.put the .007 shim on the worn side.still working fine that way.
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The shim is not always necessary.
It's there to take of the end play in the shaft (if there is any).
Check the rubber seal in the case. It fits into a recess in the case.

You might try removing the seal all together, using no shims and checking that it's free and what your actual end play is.

If the end play isn't set correctly you will have (can have) trouble with the kicker engagement.

There are NO washers behind the gear.
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Iron Mike, My mistake, I thought it was sitting right. I guess it wasn't because when I removed the shaft and that thrust plate, the thrust plate was slightly bent. It wasn't registered on the pin correctly. I straightened it out.

And thanks Doodah Man. I see now that there is a right way to lay that plate. Just never noticed it before. Of course a shim would take up excess end play, should have known that. Again, thanks for setting me straight.

All good now. All back together. Thanks fellas.
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