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Default 77 XLH Starting issues no needle bearing in primary?

I recently bought a 77 XLH sportster and it started and ran great for a couple weeks.

All of a sudden the starter stopped catching and just wizzing or making an awful sound. the starter armature gear was chewed up as well as the gear on the inside. I replaced the starter and gear, no change (just ate up the new starter). Then I assumed it was the bendix, no dice. Then i swapped the solenoid spring, no luck. Then the needle bearing and washer on the starter side, nope. Then i realized it was missing 2 parts. the needle bearing on the primary side and the thrust washer. I thought for sure this would be the answer.. NOPE!

Come to find the bearing is larger than the hole. WTF! Is it possible someone replaced the primary cover with one from an XLCH? And if so, how the hell did the bike start and run fine for weeks before taking a shit?

Do i just need to try harder to make this bearing fit, or is reaming necessary? How hard are these things to seat? Anyone run into this problem and actually figure it out? Seems like there are a couple of years old dead end threads on the subject, and I'm at the end of my rope with this thing.. Help
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You could try putting bearing in the freezer over night are at least 4 or 5 hrs.
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part number is the same 9063 needle bearing ,chain cover
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Its probably an aftermarket cover or the MoCo had a part shortage that day.
Or the Bean Counters decided they would save $1.97 per unit by installing partially finished covers for kick only models.
Does it have a factory # on the inside of the cover or a company logo?
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Tried that, still seems pretty tight. How much will a bearing shrink in the freezer? Looks like about 1.5mm or more larger than the case opening
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Pretty sure I have the right part.

J&P Cycles Part Number: 381-317 for 77 XLH
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Its probably an aftermarket cover or the MoCo had a part shortage that day.
Or the Bean Counters decided they would save $1.97 per unit by installing partially finished covers for kick only models.
Does it have a factory # on the inside of the cover or a company logo?
I'm thinking you're right about that case. Planning to pop it off and go through it all again with a buddy next weekend, but I will look for a part number and follow up. thanks
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Default 77 ironhead starting / no needle bearing Issue Solved!

So i brought the bike to my buddy's shop who has a lathe and we were able to get this fixed up. Here's what we did to make it work:

First made a punch and hammered in the frozen needle bearing. Put the starter back together and tried to start, but it acted like the battery was dead. Was only showing around 5v when hitting the start button. Tried another battery, same thing. That's when i realized the bearing really was too tight for the space on the primary case and it was binding up and preventing the starter pinion gear from spinning. We pulled it back apart and shaved around 1000th from the bearing race and pinion shaft nut on the lathe. Fit like a glove after that. Re-charged my battery, and viola!!
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Congrats on getting her fired up hope she shows you some love now after all that fore play.

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Congrats on getting her fired up hope she shows you some love now after all that fore play.
For sure man. This one is super fun between my legs!
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