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Fire doors keep the fire in as well as out. Protecting the other tenants.

I’d look into the financial responsibility on that one for sure.
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So I could potentially have a leg to stand on in one regard with that our Lease is from aaaaages ago and has been photocopied so many times it runs off the side of the page in places (So legally I could argue the toss stating the legal document is less than legible)

That said I did also find in standard Solicitor's English in the lease stating about how everything within and including the threshold of our place is basically up to us to maintain up to a standard that the Local Authority sets and is allowed to change when they want. So the standard for safety changed with Grenfell tower, and now we have to fork out for it. The frame of the door is considered part of the "communal area" which means the building management company pays for it... BUT we kinda still technically will end up paying for it as we pay a twice yearly Maintenance fee which they just dump into a reserve of cash for these sorts of things.

The kicker is I spoke to them today cos they've sent another letter, letting us know that the Lintels of the ground floor flat beneath us need repair/replacement. They reckon they have "nearly" enough money in the reserve to cover it, but everyone else in the building will have to "top it up".

All I see from this is a Building Management company are basically there to say "You need to do this to the building, and you're paying for it... and you're paying us too" as it's only a block with 4 flats in I'd sooner say to the owner tell 'em to take a hike and we'll discuss it all amongst ourselves like adults, but I imagine that's less than legal...

And you're damn xxxxxing skippy I'm taking my fancy fire door with me when I move out!! I'm gonna stick the current one in the garage and put it back on the day we leave.
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So, if your floor caves in you have to pay for that too? I don't buy it. It may be in the lease but it may still not be legal.

Also "maintaining up to a standard", is not the same as replacing to meet a new standard.
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So still sitting on my hands waiting for shit to happen. According to my mortgage advisor we don't have much of a legal leg to stand on, being a leaseholder means you're at the mercy of your lease, and if the government says the insurance is mandatory then yeah, kinda xxxxed.

Got our quote from Booker & Best (They're our local go-to all rounder for any work need doing) they screwed up the estimate for starters, forgot to include a letterbox in the front door, and didn't include the work itemised so we can't separate out the frame cost from the door costs - that said the estimate was £2,700 X_X

Having a further talk today with the fire inspector because it looks like we might be able to upgrade our door if we get our letterbox hole fixed (Whoever fitted it before we moved in botched it and it's got a big ol' gap on the inside).

For anyone else who goes through this nonsense - get a copy of the fire inspector's report. It says on ours "Failed on DOOR CLOSER. LETTERBOX. SEALS. DAMAGE TO DOOR. Door failed. Replacement Required", so for us it looks like if we pay B&B to fit seals, a new firesafe letterbox, and fit a door closer then we might get away with a total bill more like £400.

AND THEN... I can buy some bike parts :')
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This doesn't make sense. You are saying According to your mortgage advisor but you are renting the unit.
If the fire inspector says that the roof needs replaced would you pay for that too? The whole point of renting instead of buying is to avoid repair costs.
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Oh no we're not renting, we're leaseholders bud. We own everything beyond our front door, but we're like a quarter responsible for the rest of the building (Like the communal hallway, the garden etc) so we can do what we like in our flat, but anything that affects the rest of the building is mandatory for us to pay out for, it's part of our lease.

For example we got a letter saying our downstairs neighbour is having her Window Lintels replaced, and we're paying 25% for it... it sucks. We're just saving and paying off what we can so we can afford an actual house, then we're not at the mercy of a lease.
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That makes more sense. The terminology is causing the confusion. You say lease which over here implies you are renting with no actual ownership. But it sounds like you are in what we call a condominium. You own the inside of your unit and all owners pay to maintain the common structure and grounds.
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Ahh yes, sorry for the confusion! Yeah over here in the UK we basically own a portion of the building and agree to maintain the surrounds, that all goes through the building management company - the ones who said all this needs doing.
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LOL, now this makes sense. Over here that is referred to as a "lease to own" and it is used in low income neighborhoods so people on a tight budget can buy TV's or appliances and it's a real rip off too. They end up paying three times what the TV would cost.
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Why would you need a fireproof front door on a ground level unit? If my building is on fire I'm quickly out the window.
I see your point, though there may be situations in which it's helpful at least by buying some time to save other people or valuables.
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