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Old 24th May 2018
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A little different direction here, so apologies..

Question: Why not simple? For me when I visit the dealers I am not interested in buying a new Sportster to replace my 98,99, or 06. Same,same except I feel like the carby bikes are simplified and I can clean, or tune one in my back yard instead of needing to go to the dealer for a laptop to be hooked up.

Thru the 90's and until 04 I made my living with a wrench. I found out back then that I hate computer controlled. Mechanical was for me, because in my mind it is simple.I cant help but believe that if somebody was to produce a bike that a teenage boy could work on or do most repairs on without taking it somewhere the independence would produce loyalty. Especially if all others stayed the course with electronics, and the brand that made the simple bikes encouraged the atmosphere of folks doing their own maintenance.

No, I dont think this would ever happen, but why not? Whats old is new again, check Greta Van Fleet.

Back when I heard of a man that invented a carburetor for the old American cars of the 60's-70's that could achieve 50mpg or more. Story is that big oil bought that out and kept it under wraps. Don't know for sure if that one was true, but it would be easy for me to believe.

I guess if engineers of today wanted to impress me they would make a engine that didn't need electronics to meet emission requirements.

I know, I know, the future of these bikes will involve more electronics and more specialized training and equipment to maintain. Just seems to be tainted that the "keep it going yourself" mentality is almost wiped out and is headed for extinction. To me it does anyways, the motorcycle is a source of freedom and independence.

As for the tech side- Why in the hell dont they have a app for diagnostics? Maybe they do and I dont know about it, but with all this technology today I wonder, but maybe the one of the future? why cant the computer that I make phone calls with sync up to the computer that controls my vehicles functions and let me make adjustments or diagnostic test? A different independence

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this reminds me of my first vehicle with multiple maps, It was my 2003 Mercedes, it had summer and winter mode. At the time it was a novelty, now I fully understand it.
We may not like what is happening, but they are offering us stuff we dream of, then we complain we are losing control.
I can say I have avoided accidents because of ABS in my work truck, but still I hate having it on a bike. If you think about that I look like a fool.
That computer can react faster than we can, but still I hate it.
Why? Do you only ride bikes with single speed belt drives, no suspension and automatic inlet valves?
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Nib, I agree with all that. I thought you were suggesting they figure out a way not to go wet head or water.
Where are you getting this statistic?

I mean looking at prices alone I could guess I might be true, but I'd like to see actual numbers.

Then again they didn't "ditch" the Dyna so much as come up with a better replacement which was still air-cooled.

I have no reason to believe younger riders wouldn't embrace the new models.
Not really a statistic more of an opinion based on what i see, all my mates ride dynas or sportsters, only guys i know on the wide glides and such are 50+
If you are on any social media anyone between 20-35 ish are on dynas and sporties. Im not in the US though so might be different over here but go to any hog rally round these parts and its all sportsters, dynas and vrods
And cost is the factor for young riders not picking up a new m8
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Not really a statistic more of an opinion based on what i see, all my mates ride dynas or sportsters, only guys i know on the wide glides and such are 50+
If you are on any social media anyone between 20-35 ish are on dynas and sporties. Im not in the US though so might be different over here but go to any hog rally round these parts and its all sportsters, dynas and vrods
And cost is the factor for young riders not picking up a new m8
Well not-US = < 30% of their business (though I recognize they are looking to that as a growth area).

Price won't prevent that same group from riding the new Softails as the prices are similar to what they were.

And I suspect that part of the price issue is some of that group buy used, therefore you'll see them on the new Softails in the appropriate amount of time.

I just can't emphasize enough what am excellent job they did on these bikes. They completely convinced me (someone who previously HATED Softails) to consider one in the future.
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Why? Do you only ride bikes with single speed belt drives, no suspension and automatic inlet valves?
No what I am saying is that all this stuff is actually technology moving on, but for some reason we fight it say we are losing control.
You see, we can use what we want, but do not put down something if it offers you another option
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I will say this about the future of the Sporty...................

I was looking at 4 bikes, A Motoguzzi Griso, Sportster 48, KTM Duke, and the BMW R9

I chose the 48 for several reasons, not because it was the most techy bike, it is not that. not because it was the fastest, that it definately is not, and not because it was the most modern design.

I chose it because my heart was pulled by it, I had a connection to it, my soul is captured and identifies with it.

Would I buy another HD over those other bikes if the Sportster was not in the lineup? Who knows, but HD has to answer that going into the future to survive.
DO I want to see the Street style engine in the sportster? not if it loses the single pin, I can deal with Water cooling. Infact I would embrace water cooling.
Will HD step me up to a big twin, NOPE not interested. I do not want a Minivanglide.

You see HD does not sell the fastest, the best handling, the most tech savey, their connection at the point of sale is about the open road and freedom. About guys loving HD and bikes that stir imagination.

The future of the Sportster, may just be dependent on sales figures. I mean HD needs to move new models to survive. As I see it the Sportster is a light weight fun HD and my choice of style of bike to ride everyday, and that is my style. Everyone seems to think that Sportsters are beginners bikes, Forums like this prove they are enthusiasts bikes. Somehow that slips past. The future of the sportster is in the recognition of that fact.
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No what I am saying is that all this stuff is actually technology moving on, but for some reason we fight it say we are losing control.
You see, we can use what we want, but do not put down something if it offers you another option
such as
multiple maps for the ECU. there are many bikes having that now, but I see guys complaining about it? Hey if you do not want it, do not use it,but do not complain it is offered
I don't think the complaint is that new technology is 'offered', but that it is
'required' with no alternative options.

For instance, if you would prefer to buy a new Sportster with a carb instead
of an EFI system with a fuel pump in the tank.

Yes, someone can always buy used,
and the government is responsible for most of the regulations rather than the manufacturer.
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I hope this discussion does not get deep into why these regulations are here, personally I do not want to drag it down a very political road discussing the facts or falsies about global climate change and if there really is a need. We are all friends here and should not allow that to happen.
Yes Government sets regulation not the manufacturers, and the way, timing and severity of that regulation sometimes is not embraced by the populace.
However the advancements to engine efficiency has advanced, and the one big issue I think we are fearing is the loss of the air cooled engine in the sporty. That is inevitable due to smog regulations. I personally, as mentioned earlier in this thread, bought a new sportster because I think it will happen in 2020. If it goes past that then I bought too soon.
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I hope this discussion does not get deep into why these regulations are here, personally I do not want to drag it down a very political road discussing the facts or falsies about global climate change and if there really is a need. We are all friends here and should not allow that to happen.
Yes Government sets regulation not the manufacturers, and the way, timing and severity of that regulation sometimes is not embraced by the populace.
However the advancements to engine efficiency has advanced, and the one big issue I think we are fearing is the loss of the air cooled engine in the sporty. That is inevitable due to smog regulations. I personally, as mentioned earlier in this thread, bought a new sportster because I think it will happen in 2020. If it goes past that then I bought too soon.
This has been a fascinating discussion, lots of interesting points. I actually don't think the air cooled sportster is going away, but I fully expect some significant changes. Moto Guzzi introduced its V9 series a couple of years ago, and it was specifically designed to meet the most stringent EU rules. It does so with.... wait for it... an air cooled, two valve v-twin. I'm sure HD has taken a good look at how Guzzi did this, and has plans for a revised sportster engine that will meet these same standards. I'd like to see an oil cooled, counterbalanced solid mount with at least as much power as now, but weighing in at under 500lbs. That would be a major win, and I fully believe they're capable of pulling it off.

EDIT: Royal Enfield is also introducing a new air cooled 650 twin next year in Europe and the US, so they must have also figured out how to meet these regulations. If RE can do it... (actually, I really like their stuff, for some reason )

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This has been a fascinating discussion, lots of interesting points. I actually don't think the air cooled sportster is going away, but I fully expect some significant changes. Moto Guzzi introduced its V9 series a couple of years ago, and it was specifically designed to meet the most stringent EU rules. It does so with.... wait for it... an air cooled, two valve v-twin. I'm sure HD has taken a good look at how Guzzi did this, and has plans for a revised sportster engine that will meet these same standards. I'd like to see an oil cooled, counterbalanced solid mount with at least as much power as now, but weighing in at under 500lbs. That would be a major win, and I fully believe they're capable of pulling it off.

EDIT: Royal Enfield is also introducing a new air cooled 650 twin next year in Europe and the US, so they must have also figured out how to meet these regulations. If RE can do it... (actually, I really like their stuff, for some reason )
The royal enfields had my attention from the get go but when the 650 twin was announced i actually started putting money aside. Unfortunately after talking to people who own them, it's not a bike you will ever want to get wet, build quality is quite cheap and they rust quicker than you can say "where did i put that WD40", i'll still probably get one though.
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