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Really? So yamaha is moving forward by moving away from shaft driven, liquid-cooled, four cylinder engines and going to belt driven, air-cooled, v-twin engines? Wow, so they are moving forward by doing what harley has done for years and yet they are modern but Harley is going in reverse? Man, I understand everything now. It makes so much sense

And Honda has made a large displacement V-twin bike along with Suzuki because that's the modern thing to do right? So these V-twin engines that are anitqued technology and harley has used for years are modern now because the japanese manufacturers are using them and anything they do must be modern.

And moving your entire lineup of motorcycles to fuel-injection must be reverse because the japanese manufacturers still have bikes with carbs. OMG they are so innovative how can harley be so blind
I agree totally; not everybody wants a crotch rocket; what everyone wants, it seems, is a Harley or cruiser that looks like a Harley if that is not true everyone would not be copying the Harley Davidson line of products. I hear in this thread that Honda and the others are so far ahead and thats what the buying public wants. If that is true, why did Honda drop the Valkyrie ( one of the best bikes it has ever made) in favor of a big twin motor on a bike that looks like a Glide? I will say it again why would Harley want to copy a clone of its bikes? Harley must have it right or there would not be so many knockoffs.
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Really? So yamaha is moving forward by moving away from shaft driven, liquid-cooled, four cylinder engines and going to belt driven, air-cooled, v-twin engines? Wow, so they are moving forward by doing what harley has done for years and yet they are modern but Harley is going in reverse? Man, I understand everything now. It makes so much sense
From what I've seen, Yamaha's Road Star is the best of the Japanese "American style" v-twins. To me, the other Jap v-twin bikes still look like a Jap bike. The Road Star captures that authentic American style that originated with Harley, Indian, and Crocker. I think Yamaha drew heavily on the Crocker for the styling of the Road Star.







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Really? So yamaha is moving forward by moving away from shaft driven, liquid-cooled, four cylinder engines and going to belt driven, air-cooled, v-twin engines? Wow, so they are moving forward by doing what harley has done for years and yet they are modern but Harley is going in reverse? Man, I understand everything now. It makes so much sense

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And moving your entire lineup of motorcycles to fuel-injection must be reverse because the japanese manufacturers still have bikes with carbs. OMG they are so innovative how can harley be so blind
i could have not said it better !
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Really? So yamaha is moving forward by moving away from shaft driven, liquid-cooled, four cylinder engines and going to belt driven, air-cooled, v-twin engines? Wow, so they are moving forward by doing what harley has done for years and yet they are modern but Harley is going in reverse? Man, I understand everything now. It makes so much sense
You neglect to mention that Yamaha has figured out how to make at least, if not more, HP/TQ as a comparably-sized H-D, while easily meeting EPA requirements without leaning out the engine to ridiculous degrees, and that their bikes run as-advertised out-of-the-box with no requirement for a Stage anything.

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And Honda has made a large displacement V-twin bike along with Suzuki because that's the modern thing to do right? So these V-twin engines that are anitqued technology and harley has used for years are modern now because the japanese manufacturers are using them and anything they do must be modern.
These twins are all liquid-cooled. Why do they make them? Apparently their customers like them. They also run as-advertised out-of-the-box with no requirement for a Stage anything.

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And moving your entire lineup of motorcycles to fuel-injection must be reverse because the japanese manufacturers still have bikes with carbs. OMG they are so innovative how can harley be so blind
And all their carbureted bikes meet EPA requirements without affecting their performance.

I'm no big fan of metrics, but let's not oversimplify. Harley could be doing a much better job of delivering ready-to-ride motorcycles (witness all the overheating problems with the new 96 engine).
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Really? So yamaha is moving forward by moving away from shaft driven, liquid-cooled, four cylinder engines and going to belt driven, air-cooled, v-twin engines? Wow, so they are moving forward by doing what harley has done for years and yet they are modern but Harley is going in reverse? Man, I understand everything now. It makes so much sense

This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Harley being bailed out in the 80's had caused the entire industry to fall backwards. The imports makers are simply cashing in on the money that's to be made, just like Harley is, nothing more nothing less. It's called capitalism, but I do truly wish the import makers would leave the cruiser motif to the hillbillies from Milwaukee and concentrate on engineering. I'd love to see where the import makers would be if they left the V-twin alone...

I recall an article I read in a magazine [Rider?] in the early 80's where Honda said they considered the V-twin engine dead end engineering and didn't plan on introducing any... funny how the almighty dollar can get people to change their minds... Too bad for all motorcyclists who see technology and high end engineering in a different light.

I still stand by what I said: Harley was resurrected by the .gov imposed tariffs on large displacement bikes like some George Romero zombie and motorcycling has suffered ever since...
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This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Harley being bailed out in the 80's had caused the entire industry to fall backwards. The imports makers are simply cashing in on the money that's to be made, just like Harley is, nothing more nothing less. It's called capitalism, but I do truly wish the import makers would leave the cruiser motif to the hillbillies from Milwaukee and concentrate on engineering. I'd love to see where the import makers would be if they left the V-twin alone...

I recall an article I read in a magazine [Rider?] in the early 80's where Honda said they considered the V-twin engine dead end engineering and didn't plan on introducing any... funny how the almighty dollar can get people to change their minds... Too bad for all motorcyclists who see technology and high end engineering in a different light.

I still stand by what I said: Harley was resurrected by the .gov imposed tariffs on large displacement bikes like some George Romero zombie and motorcycling has suffered ever since...
I can only think of one reason why a person who feels the way you do about HD would continue to post on a HD forum.
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I can only think of one reason why a person who feels the way you do about HD would continue to post on a HD forum.


...and I suspect you'd be wrong...



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