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So it looks like the Ultima is just a knockoff of a dyna? From the same company that sells knockoffs of other companies stuff? Like their fake Super E carbs?
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thanks for the pics Mr RELAX. That is the first time Ive seen the infamous Ultima that "everyone" uses. Yes it does look like a Dyna knockoff for sure.
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Didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just thought by now there would have been some consensus on which ignition system is the "best".

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Obviously, not "everybody" uses the Ultima since these other companies sell ignitions! And since all of them have been around for some time they must be selling them to " somebody"? Most of the ones I've seen have very similar features so it's like comparing apples to oranges? Its probably hard to say which one is actually superior to the others? The early hi-4's made by crane had some module failures where they would overheat and drop one cylinder! Since S&S bought them and redesigned them they are a better product.I don't know of anybody that got stranded on the road? The early versions of the dyna did the same thing? Mallory had issues with their early modules too? Those the bike quit completely. If the charging system voltage spiked too high the mallory modules would die? It took them awhile to figure that out? They all seemed to be reliable nowadays!

My issue with Ultima is not that the ignition doesn't work rather the company that sells them! Most all their stuff is knockoffs of other companies products, they sell alot of crap, they don't stand behind their stuff if it doesn't fit, they constantly change stuff. You buy something and a year later need a part, it's not available, but they want you to buy a whole new one? You order something and pay for it, then its backordered, and you either wait, or you get "store credit" but never get your money back? In short they are just a bunch of ripoff assholes? Don't believe me? Just search Ultima engine problems! I have been involved with a couple of their big bore stroker evo engines? What a nightmare those can be?
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Wow. That gives me pause for thought.

As I said, Clayton is not overly concerned about price. Quality is a bigger part of the equation.

And being in Oz and trying to get satisfaction from a company half way around the world can be "problematic".
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I had a friend help me dynamically time it. It did not go well. Just cranking the engine over caused oil to spray out about 4 or 5 feet from the inspection hole.

Are the plastic covers for that hole still available? I don't see how one could see the mark even with the cover on it.

Keep in mind that I had the rear intake cam out. I lined up the timing marks between the pinion gear and all 4 camshaft gears, but I believe the book said t he gear to the right of those had no timing marks.
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i used the method shared by IronMick when using a timing light on my dad's evo.using a short piece of hose that will fit tightly in the timing hole.push it in until it makes contact with the flywheels.this will keep the oil from spraying all over.
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Leave the plug in but loose when you first start the bike.

Let it run a couple of minutes. Then remove the plug entirely. Most of the oil that was laying in the sump will be removed and the oil spray drops off quite a bit.

I like to use a timing light to confirm the advance is working correctly on those bikes that have it.
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Total advance timing on your '74 is 40° btc. and the flywheel mark is a vertical line.

If you static time the ultima per the instructions: With front cylinder at TOP DEAD CENTER on the compression stroke (tdc mark is a single dot) rotate the ignition clockwise till the red LED just turns off. At this setting the ultima is programmed to only give a maximum advance of 34° BTC and only if its set on advance curve #1.

So you probably won't see your 40° mark with a timing light unless you advance the module by rotating it clockwise. You can get close if you make a mark on the ignition base plate aligned with a mark on the cam cover. From that mark rotating the module clockwise about 5/32 (.156") should advance the timing about 6° to get you from 34 to 40.

If you choose to use any of the other curves you'll need to advance it even more.

You should have the purple VOES wire grounded so that the ignition is fully advanced by 1500 rpm and you'll need to have the engine revved to 1500 or more.

The base plate on the ignition is about 3" in diameter. So a mark rotated .026" at that diameter is equal to about 2 crankshaft degrees.

Another way to get closer to 40° is to static time with the flywheel TDC dot all the to the right in the hole instead of centered.
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Great ideas on reducing oil spray. Thanks, guys!
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