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I have read this before. It is some really good info. Try to practice it when I am riding. I have a friend who's pace is a little slower then mine in corners. When I lead he catches up on straights and when he leads I back off. It works fine.
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I agree with most of that, but I think it's a little misleading to define the apex as the tightest part of the corner. The apex is the point in the corner where you're closest to the inside. Whether or not that's the tightest part of the turn depends on the line you chose. In the technique he's promoting (slow in, fast out, with a late apex), I would think the tightest part of the turn would be the turn-in point, no?
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I agree with most of that, but I think it's a little misleading to define the apex as the tightest part of the corner. The apex is the point in the corner where you're closest to the inside. Whether or not that's the tightest part of the turn depends on the line you chose. In the technique he's promoting (slow in, fast out, with a late apex), I would think the tightest part of the turn would be the turn-in point, no?

Tatally agree, it depends on the line you take. The danger of an unfamiliar diminishing radius turn is that when you go into it, it is easy to misjudge and while the speed may not be an issue going into it, as the radius gradually (sometimes suddenly) decreases you find yourself doing some serious braking while trying to compensate steering. I find freeway off ramps and interchange ramps here in Houston notorious for their diminishing radius curves. These kinds of curves are virtually impossible to see comming if you are not familiar with the road.
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I agree with most of that, but I think it's a little misleading to define the apex as the tightest part of the corner. The apex is the point in the corner where you're closest to the inside. Whether or not that's the tightest part of the turn depends on the line you chose. In the technique he's promoting (slow in, fast out, with a late apex), I would think the tightest part of the turn would be the turn-in point, no?
I have to agree with both of you. I think he is talking about the apex of the road, and your talking about the apex of your path of travel. 2 slightly curves
Or maybe i'm just in left field again
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Thanks Stevo!

I really appreciate any article that can help with my riding skills....keep 'em coming!
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Here's what I'm getting at.

The yellow line is what he's talking about. This is really the safest way to go through a corner. You give up entry speed to gain exit speed. The apex (place where you're closest to the inside of the turn) is very late. But the tightest part of the turn is not the apex, it's between the turn-in and the apex. By the time you're at the apex, you're straightening it out pretty good and getting on the throttle.

What you never want to do is in the red, apex it early. You run out of room at the exit of the turn very quickly, and are forced to make a sharp turn out there. You've gained a lot of entry speed but lost all your exit speed.

The fastest way through the turn is the green. But I agree with the author, you're not racing. Use the yellow line. It's plenty fun and much safer.
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I think the green line is the safest based on the fact that you are leaning less...though you are leaning longer.

Of course...the rider's speed is what makes it "safe" or "fast". What I'd call fast in that corner, a braver, more experienced rider might call really slow...
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