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Hey all,
Was wondering if I could get some help. I've laced a few wheels before and never had an issue. This wheel on the other hand is giving me a headache. I purchased a set of Sun rims along with some SS spokes from Buchanan's a while back and finally got around to lacing them up.

The rear wheel was a breeze. This front 19" is a different story. Have all the spokes in the wheel and the pattern looks correct to me. The problem seems to be the spoke lengths. The short heads ended up being too long, where the nipple is maxed out on the spoke and its not even close to being tight. The long head spokes seem to be too short where they are tight and barely threaded on.

It seems like I ordered the wrong spoke set or maybe they sent the wrong ones. Maybe I'm just doing something really stupid here, but its definitely giving me a headache.

The rim I ordered was: RSWM319
SUN WM3 (2.15) x 19" ALUMINUM RIM

The spoke kit was: KHD702SS
H-D NARROW FR 19" SHLW D/C S/S
Spoke kits for Shallow Drop Center 19" Rims

Any advice/guidance would be appreciated.
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Did you lace the spokes using the directions in the service manual? I laced up a set of Sun rims for my bike (03 Sportster) using the manual and it worked out fine. Steps 3 through 5 concern the orientation of the spokes.

Step 3. Place hub on bench with brake disc side up. Insert one outer spoke (short head) into any bottom flange hole and swing it clockwise. Insert one inner spoke (long head) into the next hole to the left of the outer spoke. Swing the inner spoke counter clockwise over the outer spoke.

Step 4. Find the hole in the upper flange directly above the two spokes just inserted. This hole uses a long head inner spoke. Insert inner spoke into the hole on the upper flange that directly bisects the two spokes in the bottom flange. Insert all remaining spokes in the upper flange alternating the inner and outer spokes.

Step 5. After one flange side is finished flip wheel upside down and repeat to finish the other flange.

When you lace up the rim, all of the bottom flange outer spokes (short head) are oriented clock wise. Center the hub in the rim radially and laterally and then tighten the spokes finger tight. It works out a lot better if you get the rim true to begin with (finger tight) and then tighten the spokes a quarter turn at a time in the proper sequence to final tension. The spokes will need to be trimmed as they are a little longer than necessary. A dremel tool comes in handy for this.
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If the hub is a standard XL narrow hub the stock lace patten is to have all spokes offset on the inside of the flange with all the spokes heads showing from the outside flange surface. Remember that the spokes on the rotor side with smallest offset point forward.
Also, the smallest offset spokes on the opposite side of the rotor point rearward. This pattern results in the best looking cross hatch pattern for a 40 spoke wheel and is the method HD uses.
An alternate and stronger lace pattern is to have all the small offset spokes point forward
on both right and left sides. Also remember that each spoke must cross three other spokes. It is a common mistake to cross only two spokes.
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Has any resolution been found? I just got a call from the dealer saying the spokes for my setup (the same as yours) must be for a 21". They were all too long.
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Has any resolution been found? I just got a call from the dealer saying the spokes for my setup (the same as yours) must be for a 21". They were all too long.
BTW, my update is that the dealership gave up after failing twice swearing the spokes were too long. I picked it up and that night I laced it up on the kitchen table no problem and took it back to the dealer the next day for truing.

You could tell the service managers were embarrassed. Dealership repair these days is all about replacing parts to the point they don't have any tech that can lace a wheel. They didn't charge me for the truing.
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