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let me through a wrench out there and see if it fits the bolt.

(hypothetical) i own a grocery store and i stock my selves and price chicken soup at dollar a can. end of the week, i get another shipment and i now have to price the can at 1.25 a can.
law says i cannot go back and reprice the previous shipment.
so the ? remains, how do stations get by with it, i have heard several explanations so what does the forum consensus have to say?
the wally world station can change even several times daily.

with the oil markets, there is more than supply/demand, there is also a political side and a greedy side.
when big brother gets involved, very rarely does it work out well!
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No longer are there "INK Stamped" prices on those cans of chicken soup. They graduated to sticky paper labels. I remember guys, I went to school with, bitchen about having to re-label those soup cans. In walks the almighty UPC symbol/stamp/? and now Wally world sets a price into their computers and unless the older soup has a different UPC on it, it gets marked up or down like the rest of the newer cans.
I think the bigger corporate companies figured a way around the pricing laws and now, even the Ma & Pa stores don't worry about those laws either.
You are right tho, it's a political jumble when it comes to laws concerning consumer markets and the energy companies.
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The company that deliver gas around Montréal and northern New-York are Petrol-Can or Valero. The additives they pour in the tank are winter additive or brand name ones.

The price is more volatile than the gas itself. Wonder why around vacation or holidays, the price go up.

How many tanks do you have on one truck?
One for regular, one for super and ???
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CNBC says "AT LEAST 55 BLENDS".. https://www.cnbc.com/id/49330209

Some interesting reading on "Blends" of gasoline...
http://eprinc.org/2009/06/a-primer-o...line-blending/

I lived in Colorado from 1990-1996 and did a lot of research on oxygenated fuels after having many problems with it. My research found that mpg dropped significantly using oxygenated fuels. If I used a 10% blend, my mpg dropped by 10% forcing you to burn 10% more gasoline. How is that supposed to work? My conclusion is that it doesn't work.

How did we get such a bad deal?

The EPA and State regulations govern fuel blends. Colorado Gov Romer and his sidekick Frederico Pena started the oxygenated fuels craze....
http://fumento.com/fuel/bomis1.html

Romer and Pena were also said to own part of the company that made MTBE (turns out MTBE is REALLY REALLY REALLY bad for the environment because it turns up in the ground water)

Like most of our woes, Ethanol and all oxygen blended fuels are forced on us by law. Prior to the 1990's, some gasoline blends had around 3% to 6% ethanol. Since then, everything is mandated by our politically motivated public officials.

If it were science, then the I'd be ok with it. It's politics (Iowa caucus corn vote where 40% of corn goes to ethanol)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco.../#21c3d5b967d3

During Huricane Katrina when the oil refineries went offline, President Bush ordered that only 5 blends be available to increase supply. Makes you think.
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I have learned that all gas is not equal regardless of the posted octane. My kick start Ironhead has a 2 gallon tank so I am filling up often during the Summer riding season. The few times that I filled up at the large grocery chain gas pumps my bike becomes hard starting when cold. Once it starts everything is great and hot starts are no problem. So I started going to the Chevron across the street and have had no further problems.
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The company that deliver gas around Montréal and northern New-York are Petrol-Can or Valero. The additives they pour in the tank are winter additive or brand name ones.

The price is more volatile than the gas itself. Wonder why around vacation or holidays, the price go up.

How many tanks do you have on one truck?
One for regular, one for super and ???
Our tankers have 3 compartments. Flip a switch and they become 2. Another and they are 1. They aren't necessarily used for the same product all the time.
Usually regular, super, and diesel tho.
Sucks if you accidently flip that switch at the wrong time. It's used so we don't have to rehook on the tanker after 1 is empty and switching to the next.
Underground tanks are just gravity filled. No pump needed.
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If I remember correctly, they banned MTBE in gasoline in the US, due to the groundwater contamination they found in California. 2002?, since we imported it from Canada, they had to shut down production. Being a fuel stabilizer, I remember my bike overflowing alot because it (the gas) would expand and contract too much. One or two summers of this bullshi+, then it stopped because I was told they had put a new stabilizer in it. (or was it MTBE again?) Any way the same groups of researchers had worked on it for almost 20 years, and they also pointed out that if California would have used 10%-15% ethanol instead of MTBE, that not only would it have contaminated the ground water, it would have destroyed the soil and nothing would be able to grow anymore. This last piece of info came from the studies they did in Brazil. I was helping a friend research this stuff back in '04 because his dad was getting pressure to contract corn for the ethanol co.'s. Are they using MTBE again?

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MTBE has been banned in California for many yeays
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We going drag racing this year
I am going to run Sunoco 260 GT Plus
I have to jet the carb up 15% to compensate for the oxygen !
Strange, I would have thought specific gravity of higher octane would dictate a lower jet on the main.
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