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Looking at the teeth of the kit in the lower picture, the friction disks are the old style type.
sharp eye...
congrats

i already had done some intel work about that... and had found the same...
then i have forgotten...

by the way it seems that the 37980-19 kit... is suitable only if you upgrade also to the SE twin cam performamce race clutch hub kit PN 37976-08
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the slight squeal is not a cons or a fault in the design...is the price for not having anymore a spring plate...or even a judder spring...that is a clutch for racing... with kevlar inserts...if anything her cons could be a bit less adjustability...but i can live with that (actually i live over 5k revs)...
I replaced my clutch with the Barnett kit with extra plates and used my stock clutch spring and I have never experienced a squeal. Has been about 5 years now and clutch works great. Smooth, positive release and no slippage. I wonder why some experience that issue and others don't?
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I went thru this. I have a NOS 2017 XL1200C. As delivered the clutch drug BADLY. With the bike in gear and the clutch pulled in (engine off) it was a major effort to push the bike. Neutral was next to impossble to find. I dumped the primary / transmission oil and filled with Redline 75w90NS and it got a little better. I opened the primary and replaced the grenade plate with 2 OE steels and an OE friction. Put in a 7200B release brg too. Filled it with Redline D6 ATF.
Now the clutch screeched occaisionally. As I've put some miles on it the screech has gone away and the clutch drag has decreased to normal.
No more screech, no more clutch drag, good clutch apply, Redline D6 in the primary / transmission.
Go figure.

Edit: Screech came back. Final solution was to add Red Line Limited-Slip Friction Modifier. That did fix it.
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I replaced my clutch with the Barnett kit with extra plates and used my stock clutch spring and I have never experienced a squeal. Has been about 5 years now and clutch works great. Smooth, positive release and no slippage. I wonder why some experience that issue and others don't?
well for starters both my bikes are not barnetts or any aftermarket solution, its just the stock clutch with the spring plate removed and replaced with 2 (again stock parts, from a donor bike of a friend that 1340'd its engine and put an alto carbonite clutch) steel separators and 1 friction. both squeal (one is an old 883R and other is a newer 1200CX) but only on spirited take-offs and gear shifts

I suppose this setup is the worst offender on the squealing department.

by the way 1 donor clutch = 3 spring plateless bikes and you end up with some extra frictions just in case
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My 2004 Sporty has 34k on it. I got an Energy One clutch from
Hammer Performance and intend on installing it this weekend.
Been having trouble finding neutral so wouldn’t be surprised
if it’s not looking so good in there. Will update my post after it’s in.
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So far, my 2005 with 14K miles on it feels like all is well but I'm a proactive type of guy. I've gathered all the parts, video's and pictures so I could make my own list of instructions for a relaxed therapy project in the man-cave. This will be saved for one of those fall weeks when it is just too miserable to go outside but the man-cave/garage is still warm enough that my fingers haven't lost their feeling. I'm going to replace the grenade with 2 steels and one friction to make everything stock, and I'll replace the stock throw out bearing with a 7200B bearing at the same time. I'll post the results then.
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So far, my 2005 with 14K miles on it feels like all is well but I'm a proactive type of guy. I've gathered all the parts, video's and pictures so I could make my own list of instructions for a relaxed therapy project in the man-cave. This will be saved for one of those fall weeks when it is just too miserable to go outside but the man-cave/garage is still warm enough that my fingers haven't lost their feeling. I'm going to replace the grenade with 2 steels and one friction to make everything stock, and I'll replace the stock throw out bearing with a 7200B bearing at the same time. I'll post the results then.
boomerguy,

I replaced the clutch on my ‘15 XL1200CP with a Barnett kit at 15k miles. Did not replace the bearing. Looking forward to your posts.
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I replaced the clutch on my ‘15 XL1200CP with a Barnett kit at 15k miles. Did not replace the bearing. Looking forward to your posts.
I'll probably do the job within the next month or so, depending on the weather.

I have a riding buddy with a 2004 XL1200C that he commutes to work @ 40 miles a day, totaling 40K miles so far. He does none of his own maintenance and has a not too bright friend/amateur mechanic do it for him. He is constantly polishing the chrome instead. His clutch lever is extremely hard to pull and getting worse all the time. He lubed the cable and hopes it will get better. When I mentioned the grenade plate and throw out bearing, he ignored me and bought some more chrome bits and another Harley t-shirt. He is the King of Denial when it comes to the insides of his bike. I even offered to help him with venting his crankcase to the atmosphere and even provide the parts. He turned it down because he like 100% stock better. The same goes for his stock petcock which he never turns off when he parks the bike. Like the old motor oil commercial said, "Pay me now or pay me later"... I'll also post how his bike turns out.
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I'll probably do the job within the next month or so, depending on the weather.
You'll need a qt of trans/primary oil and a clutch spring compressor. Let your new friction plate soak in oil. This is one of the first things I did to my 1200. It was still cold out but my garage was tolerable so I figured I'd do it to avoid later problems. This isn't hard to do. Just pull the primary cover and everything is right there.
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He doesn't need to soak them. They're already soaked.
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