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Old 25th October 2005
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Exclamation Clarification of XL Forum Premier Subscription

I want to clarify something about the XL Forum Premier subscription via PayPal.

This subscription is for one year as an XL Forum Team Member. Every year, on the anniversary of your XL Forum Team Membership, your PayPal account will be AUTOMATICALLY charged the subscription rate unless you cancel before hand. If the subcription rate is ever rasied you will still be charged only the rate that is was when you initially subscribed, unless of course you cancel you PayPal subscription and it subscription rate has gone up since your initial subscription.

This is all explained in the email you recieve from PayPal once you subscribe.

To cancel your subscription YOU need to login to PayPal and cancel it per the instructions in the email PayPal sent you when you intially subscribed. If you no longer have the email it is not too hard to figure out how to do it once you login to PayPal.

If you cancel your PayPal subscription before your one year XL Forum Team membership is complete I will not cancel your XL Forum Team membership until it expires unless you request me to do so. This means that if you really want to, you can cancel your subscription immediatly after you subscribe.

This has caught some people by surprise in the past and I have immediatly refunded their money when they have requested. I have absolutly no problem doing this.

[CAUTION - RANT MODE ENGAGED]

Now...if you do not follow the instruction I just provided and or the instructions provided by PayPal in the email verifying the begining of your subscription PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO THREATEN ME WITH LEGAL ACTION.

This is an email I received today. Names (except for mine) have been removed to protect the guilty:

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Please do not charge to my pay-pal account without permission.
Please refund this charge.
I no longer own a sporty and no longer subscribe to your boards.
Do this again an I will pursue this legally.
First off I do not charge anyones PayPal account.

Second, it saddens me that people today feel the need to immediatly throw around the phrases like "I will pursue legal action" etc... for every little petty thing that comes up.

I believe that I have shown in the last three years that The XL Forum has been running that I am an honest person. Yes I make a little bit of money by running this website but I also give back a lot. I have given away thousands of dollars worth of prizes, I have given hundreds of dollars to members in need (and they were not even paid members!), I have hundreds of dollars to a member who is pursuing a racing career. I plan to continue to do these thing in the future as I can. I have never asked for a thank you and don't expect to get one. I am able to do these things because of the people who help support the website by signing up for XL Forum Team Memberships If I was a dishonest person it would have surely shown within three years and this website would have dried up and disappeared. I also have NEVER solicited anyone to pay for a subcription to The XL Forum. I do provide information on how to subscribe to those who ask. If these facts do not show my honesty and sincerity then I do not know what will. An unhonest person does not give money away..at least none that I have even known.

BTW - Tell me how many other forums give a way prizes, give funds to members who need them (even when they are not subscribed members). Go ahead list them in this thread.

I do not say this to lift myself up. I give from the XL Forum subscription fund because it makes me happy to give and I do not need anyone else to give me praise for doing this.

If you wanna sue me then sue me, but please do not send me empty petty threats via email. Put you money where your mouth is, hire an attorney and send me a summons to appear in court.

Sorry for the rant but somethings, like people threating me with legal action without having grounds for it, just get the best of me and I have to vent.

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Finally, I want to thank all of you who have made this, not only the GREATEST SPORTSTER forum, but the GREATEST MOTORCYCLE forum on the Internet, those of you who are XL Forum Team Members and those of you who are regular members. It is you that have made this forum what it is today...not me. In two or three more days we will hit over 1,000,000 hits on this website for just the month of October. This is a NEW record and I am proud of that, but again it is you who have made that happen.
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Sorry, that after all you do, you have to put up with that kind of baloney. We appreciate ya.
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And before the person who threatened me posts my email reply to him/her here it is word for word:

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I did not charge your PayPal account, you charged yourself.

If you had taken the time to read the email PayPal sent you when you subscribed you would have seen that you will be automatically charged until you cancel your subscription. To cancel your subscription please login to PayPal and cancel it.

I, of course, will happily refund you money and by the time you read this your refund will have already been processed. There is no reason for you to threaten me with legal action; 1) because I am an honest person, 2) I don't need your money, 3) because you have no legal grounds to pursue legal action against me.

It is sad that we are living in a world where the first thing a person does is threaten another with legal action before talking it through and finding out the facts. In over 2 years of running my subscription program you are the only person to threaten me. But if you truly would like to pursue legal action I will gladly provide you with the name and address of my attorney and you may contact her.

The XL Forum will always be available for you when you decide to come back!

Have a great day!
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That email was ghey!

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The more I time I spend on this forum the more I think it is the best out there. I am going to subscribe when I get the money (hopefully next month)

A big thanks to Bert and all that help him to run or moderate this forum.
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That email was ghey!
So ghey we shoulda poked it with a nanner!

Adios...again
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Bert,

When you deal with a large group of people, you will run across the bad apples. It sucks, but that’s the way it is. I will presume to speak for the majority. We greatly appreciate the service your forum provides. And speaking for myself, I am glad to hear you make a couple bucks for all your efforts. It is your vision and vigilance that keeps this forum an enjoyable place to visit. When I am in a financial position to provide greater support for this forum I will, until then, I appreciate the fact that I am still welcome here.

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Take your meds, Whispanic, or we'll have to put you back in your cage!

Bert, I am hoping this is your only incident of this type...this forum (well, let's say it...YOU) have created a masterpiece as far as any other motorcycle forum goes...do a survey and it will be 100%! Kiltbill's recent thread, "XL Forum - What's the Point?" http://xlforum.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=15500 is a sample of how we feel about this forum. Like Grandma used to say, "Don't let one apple spoil the bushel" or something like that! And I agree...this lawsuit threat crap needs to end soon...what a waste of time and money...you answered this person a lot more tactfully than I would've/could've...I read the agreement to the subscription when I signed on, and my only concern was how was I going to remember to deduct it from my checking account this year if it happens automatically? I imagine PayPal sends me a receipt, but if not, it's not rocket science to check your account on there occassionally! I have no idea who this person is, but I feel it was quite rude to leave without saying goodbye anyway, whether to all of us or just to you! This IS a type of extended family, ya know!
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Your reply explains your position clearly, well put! Normally these folk who threaten legal action do so cause thats the only strength they have. Surely legal action (whatever the problem) is the last action to consider, when all else has failed. Wimps, if you ask me.
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Hey Bert. Is there anyway we can get an email reminder that our subscription is expiring? I just want to make sure I have money in the bank before paypal automatically pulls the money.

I would love to be able to purchase a lifetime subscription or something.
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