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Harley needs a decent bike in the 800cc-1250cc range. Something to go up against the Ducati Monster, Triumph Speed Triple, Yamaha MT and the rest - above all, the Indian FTR1200.

Right now, the Indian FTR1200 has eaten the Sportster’s lunch, including the greaseproof paper. “Blowing off Big Twins since 1957” doesn’t cut it any more.

Personally, I like the Bronx/Streetfighter/whatever it’s called. The new “musclebike” looks the part, too.
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top brass aren't to the task iMO
i liked the Bronx Street Fighter
I would suggest an 800 - 900 cc pumped up designed with attention for EU markets... and a more placid 1250 designed for domestics... obviously I would sell them both in either market... with competitive prices...
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I read some where that dual purpose/off road riders were a rapidly increasing segment of the riding population
overhere people who own an adventurer don't use the bike off road... some don't even ride on gravel... they bought that bikes for tourism... most of them use the bike only above 18 Celsius...
and they buy BMWs... like a kind of cult... many Italian and Japanese brands attempted to conquer a slice of that pie... only Ducs with the Multistrada had a considerable success...

there are a big chunk of guys who love and buy bikes for other purposes... like a few hours of fun (this is me... and many others too)... adventurers are not bike for them...

in addition if you want to sell a bike you have to build a beautiful bike... Panamerica it seem to me it's ugly... at least from the photo... maybe seeing her in front of you... is a different thing

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Yes i must agree that the Pan America is not a good looking bike. 147 hp is heaps of grunt, i didn't expect the bike would be designed up to that spec.
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Harley already produced a high hp model. (v rod) It did not sell well, and is no longer made. Their brand always stood for torquey lower revving bikes. The market is already saturated with high hp, high revving motorcycles. I'm not sure they will make inroads in this market.
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Take a look at the pic. If that doesn’t look like fun, there is something wrong with you.
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It do look fun. Exhaust can be easily modified

I think it's necessary harley branch out and put something out there with a motor from the factory. Look what Indian done.

I am re-thinking my old man dislike of radiators....things change

I will stick with my air-cooled stuff, but this is a popular segment and I hope they sell a ton of them
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https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/2021-harle y-davidson-pan-america-1250-price-leak

Supposedly priced competitively with high end European ADV bikes
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Supposedly priced competitively with high end European ADV bikes
I saw this news on Facebook and am listening to the podcast now. I fully expected the price to start at $20K, so $17K to me is a surprise.

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on December 23 dealer presents new Panamerica...
we have to make a reservation to be allowed
i am not interested but I was wonder if in USA they had presented her yet...
Late February in the US for the official release

The bike did the Motorcycle show tour in 2019/2020 so we could look at it but no details other than the HP figures for the engine
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