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Don't hate me but I feel like the Street fighter is what the sportster should have already evolved into if Harley wasn't hung up on "Authentic tradition and heritage".

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They would've lost a lot of $$$ in sales. People bought the sportster for a reason. That reason is gone in whatever it is you want to call that.
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Its a 21st century Panhead. Its right in the name Pan American. (Will they be built in America though....?)
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LOL, lots of false teeth smackin', fat belly rubbin', and saggy pants hitching up going on in this thread.

The good news is that most people in the market for a new bike could really give a rat's arse what it's called. I'm glad to see HD doing something different, and they shouldn't call it a Sportster for the simple psychological reason that it is different and the new models mean a different direction for the MoCo.

Innovate or die. That's a life lesson right there. The MoCo is trying because people like me and generations much younger than me don't want potato-potato-potato anymore as the only option. A v-twin doesn't have to mean a low-revving pile of chrome. Every time I put a wrench to my IH, I curse it, because it's a poorly engineered pile of crap. But it was the one of the best of its time and its time is now over. Yes I know, it's significantly different than an '18 model, but not by much.

Will HD blazon the "Sportster" name on one of their new scoots? I doubt it and I certainly hope they don't. I also hope the Streetfighter is worth it, because even though I'm in my mid-40s, I still want it. The MoCo has come a long way in the last 10 years by trying to resonate with a whole new culture and crowd with the Street series, the M8 and what they did to the Dynas. It can no longer just cater to a bunch of fat old white guys as a majority because those fat old white guys are dying off. The bike market is huge. HD needs to show its customers that it has the vision and foresight to predict their wants - because no one needs a motorcycle. And potato-potato-potato isn't cutting it by itself anymore.
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A v-twin doesn't have to mean a low-revving pile of chrome. Every time I put a wrench to my IH, I curse it, because it's a poorly engineered pile of crap. But it was the one of the best of its time and its time is now over. Yes I know, it's significantly different than an '18 model, but not by much.
I don't disagree with most of what you said.

However, in this case, the current rubbermount sporty is about as different as possible without actually being different.

I am very happy the Moco is making these bikes (for others). But I'm firmly in the "don't need them" and "the current Air-Cooled powertrain is right for me" camp.

Your IH evolved into a well engineered, dependable, ball of fun. It's time need never be over unless combustion engineers are dead.
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I had believed that EPA/Euro5 emissions regs and the 975/1250 spelled the end of the pushrod Sportster. Per conversations with multiple MoCo people at Sturgis, I’m hopeful the current XL engine will continue beyond 2019. The message I heard was that expanding into new market segments does not preclude continuing to sell to current customers.
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That's what I have been thinking. EPA isn't pushing, most Asian and South American countries aren't pushing. So what if the EU makes it impossible, there's enough market for the Sportster to soldier on without it.
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there is nothing that the moco makes that I want anymore. I will visit the dealer a couple times a year for a walk around but mostly I want to see the trade ins that they are going to bring to the auction. air cooled and carbureted is the only thing I will own, and no newer than evo. and what is this excitement all about for some electric motorcycle they are working on. remember when they wanted to patent their sound. taking the moco public was the ruination of the company. now they have to sell their soul to the bean counters. small runs of older remakes that would get under epa or even if they were kitbikes. they could source a lot of it from am such as s&s etc and recoup some rider loyalty and maybe bring new riders in that want to learn. that will never happen. if only the moco would go bankrupt, reorganize as private company and get back to basics. the smaller bikes they are bringing out look a lot like ujms. what about all the names they have to come up with now. it uses to be xlch or xlh, fx or fl. sportster or big twin. maybe Im getting too old.
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