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25th November 2020
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Senior Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,990 Sportster/Buell Model: KHK Sportster/Buell Year: 1954 Sportster/Buell Model #2: IronHead XLH Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1978 Other Motorcycle Model: XLRTT Other Motorcycle Year: 1966
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GM,
How do you think we did it 40 years ago with no tinternet, hard to find FSMs and ironheads owners 200 miles apart????
I used to live in a 350 000 people town in the 80s, 5 harleys, that is 4 glides and my 76 Sportster... Still... I must have had the fastest Sporty of the whole country looking at all the scraps I had with nippondenso stuff...
WE USED OUR HEADS
And we followed the 1st rule of engineering, don't mess up with what's working fine...
I cannot believe your bike is so full of problems, so I can only think you have created yourself the whip to crack your own back!!!
Just a tip... Don't follow the route of honing the main shaft outer race with a brake hone... By the time you remove what's needed, say 2 thou, the race will be ovalized and scrap... Any honing on a HD should be done with proper non flexible honing arbors, not to mention guiding them if at all possible.
Patrick
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25th November 2020
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cornelius, OR
Posts: 9,498
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This X 10
"Just a tip... Don't follow the route of honing the main shaft outer race with a brake hone... By the time you remove what's needed, say 2 thou, the race will be ovalized and scrap... Any honing on a HD should be done with proper non flexible honing arbors, not to mention guiding them if at all possible."
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25th November 2020
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 546 Sportster/Buell Model: XLCH Sportster/Buell Year: 1972
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thefrenchowl
GM,
How do you think we did it 40 years ago with no tinternet, hard to find FSMs and ironheads owners 200 miles apart????
I used to live in a 350 000 people town in the 80s, 5 harleys, that is 4 glides and my 76 Sportster... Still... I must have had the fastest Sporty of the whole country looking at all the scraps I had with nippondenso stuff...
WE USED OUR HEADS
And we followed the 1st rule of engineering, don't mess up with what's working fine...
I cannot believe your bike is so full of problems, so I can only think you have created yourself the whip to crack your own back!!!
Just a tip... Don't follow the route of honing the main shaft outer race with a brake hone... By the time you remove what's needed, say 2 thou, the race will be ovalized and scrap... Any honing on a HD should be done with proper non flexible honing arbors, not to mention guiding them if at all possible.
Patrick
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Patrick so this race in question, there is a specialized Harley tool to lap this, but will an ordinary machine shop have the means to do the job without the special Harley tool?
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25th November 2020
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Blind Owl
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 6,295 Sportster/Buell Model: XLB, XLCH, Sporton Sportster/Buell Year: 1962 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1966 Other Motorcycle Model: XLCH (Another one) Other Motorcycle Year: 1966
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Patrick I think your 35 is a little short. Looks like 34.99997 to me. Might want to measure that one.
Any good shop with a Sunnen hone can do it.
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26th November 2020
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Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 2,285 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1964 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XLCH IR EFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1971 Other Motorcycle Model: BMW K1200RS Other Motorcycle Year: 2001
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A lap is not a Harley tool. Lapping has been going on for years. Harley did not create or patent a round concentric hole.
You may think your getting away with something by using a flimsy brake hone, but it is masking reality. Yes you may get your rollers in there , but the home will only follow the existing profile, giving you a surface you could surf on. People that have done this in the past have gotten away with it, but that is the difference in an eng going 10,000 miles or one that goes 150,000.
Stack up a bunch of those backyard fixes, and you’ll have a brand new shiny collection of crap.
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26th November 2020
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Flat Track Racer
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 220 Sportster/Buell Model: FLH Electra Glide 67/82 Sportster/Buell Year: 77
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Originally Posted by ryder rick
Nope, synthetic oil is what makes them skate.
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That is not true,I have been riding for YEARS with full synthetics in all my shovel and Evo ,and I have never had anyone fail ,something that you here often but definitly not true,Ray
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26th November 2020
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Biker
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Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 83 Sportster/Buell Model: xlch Sportster/Buell Year: 1966
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Originally Posted by thefrenchowl
Yep, Steve, only way to calibrate at home...
Patrick
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I been trying to figger out how old that laptop is... geeez, it isn’t a laptop!
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26th November 2020
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Originally Posted by saddlebagrail
That is not true,I have been riding for YEARS with full synthetics in all my shovel and Evo ,and I have never had anyone fail ,something that you here often but definitly not true,Ray
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Don't take me too seriously, that was a poor joke.
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26th November 2020
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Flat Track Racer
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 220 Sportster/Buell Model: FLH Electra Glide 67/82 Sportster/Buell Year: 77
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Originally Posted by ryder rick
Don't take me too seriously, that was a poor joke.
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some still think this is the case, that need to be clarify 
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28th November 2020
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Loxahatchee, FL (S. FL)
Posts: 651 Sportster/Buell Model: XLCH Sportster/Buell Year: 2003 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Cyclone Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2001 Other Motorcycle Model: FXDC Other Motorcycle Year: 2013
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Originally Posted by thefrenchowl
Yep, Steve, only way to calibrate at home...
Patrick
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Patrick
That's what I was talking about!
I know you send them out yearly to be re-certified 
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