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How Indian Makes 43% More Power than Harley-Davidson

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Got bored to death listening to him. Try it, i'll give you 2-3 mins before you do the same!
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I understand his point. OHCs do spin the engine better, and Harley has pretty much stuck with their design. 4 minute video that took 10 minutes. The Scout looks nice and makes 100 hp out of the box. But it's just sorta hard to love.
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If you want that bike, buy it. If you want this bike, buy it. Do yourself a favor & figure out what you like, then buy it. Numbers, specs, even price are irrelevant. Get the bike that makes you grin when you look at it & grin when you ride it & you'll know you got the right one. NONE of that other stuff matters, unless, 1. You just really like extreme high performance machines, or, 2. Your self image depends on the approval of others. Who, with very few exceptions, don't care about you. Sorry, I just think these comparison things are just a bit silly. I'm too old to go really, really fast, & too old to give a F about what others think of me. OK, rant over.
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Got bored to death listening to him. Try it, i'll give you 2-3 mins before you do the same!
I didn't get bored, just annoyed that he got so, so very much wrong.

Overhead cams, liquid cooling, 4 valve heads and oversquare engines are all century-old ideas, nothing "modern" about using those to make more HP.

It's silly to conflate the purposeful choice of an air-cooled, undersquare pushrod engine with being accidentally stuck with "antiquated" engineering. It's a design choice based on customer preference. Such engines are relatively fuel efficient, provide substantial torque at low speeds (with an intentional focus on low-speed torque) and properly executed can make for easier maintenance. It's not some accident, nor has HD mistakenly painted itself in a corner regarding engine layout and priorities.

If specific output is king, why stop at liquid cooling, 4 valve heads and short stroke, after all a 4 cylinder 600 Supersport engine at 15,000 rpm makes even more power. Mind you it's all wrong aesthetically, but the SCIENCE!!!!
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How dare he speak for me. If I wanted a technological modern engineering state of the art machine, I’d f’ing buy one. I prefer classic muscle cars to the modern plastic grocery getters, I prefer old classic heavy steel trucks to today’s aluminum frail bodies, I prefer carburetors to EFI. That’s why I own carburetor sportsters and a carburetor 71 Chevy K20, and a 120 year old house.

If Harley decides it needs to change things to grab a new market in order to stay in business I won’t cry. They already built my forever bike and I’m good. But don’t do this damn millennial crybaby thing of making it sound like I’m stupid or suck cause I’m not into the modern. Some people just like it the way it is. They like what once was. Some of us love history and heritage. Jesus Christ this progressive movement frame of mind is bull. Let us have ours and you have yours. Indian makes more power that a sportster. Guess what, someone else makes more power than yours.

Oh, and of all the bikes ever sold over all the decades, what brand gets rebuilt and kept on the road more. Yep, Harley and older Indians and triumphs. But not the new ones, and not the imports. When those bikes die, they are dead. That technological marvel being pushed as better will be yesterday’s news and in a landfill in a few years.
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I like cooling fins on motorcycle engines. I've only seen one Scout in my local travels. Wonder how they're selling?

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It's silly to conflate the purposeful choice of an air-cooled, undersquare pushrod engine with being accidentally stuck with "antiquated" engineering. It's a design choice based on customer preference. Such engines are relatively fuel efficient, provide substantial torque at low speeds (with an intentional focus on low-speed torque) and properly executed can make for easier maintenance. It's not some accident, nor has HD mistakenly painted itself in a corner regarding engine layout and priorities.
Well stated!
Also, a long stroke motor is not only more fuel efficient (longer burn time), but generally produces more torque.
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