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Default Harley Type E fork oil

Great info on the Harley fork oil in the SportsterPedia!
Internet info seems to be all over the place on viscosity

I have some additional information I've found recently.

The HD parts/accessory web site in the Type E fork oil has an answer in the Q&A with the viscosity at 40 C / 100 F listed.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/stor...-17-9988480--1

Kinematic viscosity at 40°C [mm2/s = cSt] Mid-point.....Minimum.....Maximum ......46............... 41.4............. 50.6

ISO 3448 Viscosity class ISO VG 46

ISO VG 46 = SAE 15


Spectro also has a chart with HD Fork oil info:
http://www.spectro-oils.com/wp-conte...Data-Chart.pdf

Code:
+-----------------------------------+---------+--------------------+
|             PRODUCT               | WEIGHT  | VISCOSITY @ 100° C |
+-----------------------------------+---------+--------------------+
| Harley Type B                     | 10wt    | 5.51               |
| Harley Type E                     | 20wt    | 7.95               |
| Screaming Eagle Type Heavy        | 20wt    | 8.60               |
| Screaming Eagle Type Extra Heavy  | 60wt    | 24.49              |
| Spectro Type E                    | 20wt    | 7.93               |
| Spectro Type Heavy                | 40wt    | 13.06              |
+-----------------------------------+---------+--------------------+
I contacted Dave at Red Line about which Red Line fluid to use to replace HD Type E.

His reply:
the Harley type B is just slightly higher viscosity than the Medium, the type E is about 20% higher.
The mix ratio to match the HD type E viscosity at 100°F would be about 75% RL Medium and 25% RL Heavy Suspension Fluid.


I made a chart of the HD Type E (using the viscosity info I found), the RL 75/25 mix and the RL Medium and RL Heavy at viscosity at temps from 0 C (32 F) to 55 C (131 F).

I used the Widman calculators from here: (I used Firefox so I could enable Flash)
https://widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html



I will probably send Blackstone a sample of HD Type E for analysis.
I will also request the viscosity at 100 F (40 C) to have actual data.
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The TDS / SDS info from the manufs is not even consistant.
This is the info I got from the HD website 3 years ago:
https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/fork-oil
Hey Hippysmack,
Technically the viscosity of the "B" and the "F" fork oils is proprietary info.
What I can tell you is that the weight for the "B" is between 0-10 and the "F" is between 5-20.


I'd take things with a grain of salt until it's tested.

That is interesting that the type E fork oil was answered, kinda.
Then the next answer is "we can't tell you that".
41.4-51.6 puts E in 15 ish wt class judging from other brands.
HD doesn't make the base oil. So, I vaguely compared 40C to others.
I'll add this to the narrative also.

I'd like to get the facts on type B and E.
You're right, all over the map depending on which manufs website you're on.
Me thinks there's an 'out of work' car salemen club that invaded the fork oil business.
Ours matches HD at .....

The chart is good, but it would be more useful with more of a variety of brands.

I'd like to see the Blackstone analysis of type E and B.

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I'm trying to wind down, at least for now, the last big topic I had on my list.. noises.
I'll get back to this and the transmission bearings you posted next.
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I did find a mention of Harley Davidson Fork oil type E on a Citgo web page but no information or SDS. It did indicate a 20W weight.
It also listed Harley Special Motor oil 20w-50, HD 240 / 360 10w-40, 20w-50, 50 and 60 and HD Special transmission oil.

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I got the VOA of HD type E from Blackstone yesterday

I posted the data in the Suspension forum-
http://xlforum.net/forums/showpost.p...11&postcount=1
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I'll compile this into the pedia also.
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