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Two things about the green that make it more difficult and dangerous than the yellow. First, it requires trail braking. You're spending a lot of time in the turn and to do it fast you're forced to combine turning and braking on the entry. The other thing is the exit. You haven't left yourself any room for error. Go through it too hot and you'll run out of road on the exit and be in trouble.

With the yellow, you've done your braking largely before your turn-in, so you're not forced to combine braking and turning. But the big thing is you've left yourself room at the exit. If you run out of road, or if something unexpected shows up, you've got a safety margin. All you have to do is roll out of the throttle.

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I just follow those yellow warning signs before a corner. This just may be inexperience talking but I have found out that you can enter a corner 10mph over those signs if they have a speed of 20mph or more posted. If they have 20mph or less it is a wise idea to follow them. This is just something that I have noticed. I have never had a problem so far.
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Thanks for the educational post Steve. As a new rider, I really appreciate any article like this .... I'm going to print it and bring copies to my next Women on Wheels meeting. It's something both experienced and newbies should read.
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I just follow those yellow warning signs before a corner. This just may be inexperience talking but I have found out that you can enter a corner 10mph over those signs if they have a speed of 20mph or more posted. If they have 20mph or less it is a wise idea to follow them. This is just something that I have noticed. I have never had a problem so far.
I use the "posted+20" rule in my cage (a tuned BMW 3-series) - on the bike I worry too much about gravel/salt/potholes to go that fast. Does your "posted+10" leave any room for in-flight adjustment?
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Two things about the green that make it more difficult and dangerous than the yellow. First, it requires trail braking. You're spending a lot of time in the turn and to do it fast you're forced to combine turning and braking on the entry. The other thing is the exit. You haven't left yourself any room for error. Go through it too hot and you'll run out of road on the exit and be in trouble.

With the yellow, you've done your braking largely before your turn-in, so you're not forced to combine braking and turning. But the big thing is you've left yourself room at the exit. If you run out of road, or if something unexpected shows up, you've got a safety margin. All you have to do is roll out of the throttle.
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I too have read that article before, but it's worth another read. I get what everyone is saying about the apex thing, but it made sense to me - I intereperted the "tightest part" as the part where you in closest to the inside of the turn, but same difference either way.

I generally use a slightly different rule for the yellow speed signs...I find that you can almost double the posted speed and still leave room for adjustment. However, that only works when you take a good line. If your line is crap with a really early entrance point, then you could end up in the weeds going 10mph under. I use those signs to give me a baseline to judge from - then I set myself up and make my own adjustments as neccesary.

In any event, it's a good thing I read this article - on one of my last rides of the season, I tried following my buddy on a Buell through a turn and scared myself to death...I was taking an ideal line, but I went in WAY too fast and ended up pushing way wide anyways, crossing over to the outside of the oncomming lane with the exhaust scraping the whole way. I will give myself some credit though - I didn't get hard on the brake or try to stand the thing up - I kept on leaning into the turn...I would have been down for sure otherwise.

I'll be taking the late entrance line from now on...
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I generally use a slightly different rule for the yellow speed signs...I find that you can almost double the posted speed and still leave room for adjustment. However, that only works when you take a good line. If your line is crap with a really early entrance point, then you could end up in the weeds going 10mph under. I use those signs to give me a baseline to judge from - then I set myself up and make my own adjustments as neccesary.
Me too, but I have to know the curve so that I know there's nothing on the otherside of a blind curve or torn up road or gravel etc.
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I'll be taking the late entrance line from now on...
I'm new to riding (this was my first season) and I don't know a lot of the lingo. What does "late entrance line" into a curve mean?
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I'm new to riding (this was my first season) and I don't know a lot of the lingo. What does "late entrance line" into a curve mean?

check out the graphic on page 2 of the thread.

It's the yellow line.

Late entrance line, means you drive deeper into the turn before actually leaning/initiating the turn.

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Two things about the green that make it more difficult and dangerous than the yellow. First, it requires trail braking. You're spending a lot of time in the turn and to do it fast you're forced to combine turning and braking on the entry. The other thing is the exit. You haven't left yourself any room for error. Go through it too hot and you'll run out of road on the exit and be in trouble.

With the yellow, you've done your braking largely before your turn-in, so you're not forced to combine braking and turning. But the big thing is you've left yourself room at the exit. If you run out of road, or if something unexpected shows up, you've got a safety margin. All you have to do is roll out of the throttle.
Like I said...it depends upon how fast you're going. In my case...that's so slow it really doesn't matter!
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