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when they tore it down it wasn't the best.it was only the best damn garage in town when Smokey Yunick was working/building race cars in there.
Ah yes, your right of course. Also tells my why you would pull down Abe Lincolns place to build a Motel 1.

And I understand that I am mostly nostalgic for the time period I grew up in.

But I'm fining that kids today (okat granpa) have more exciting distractions than old bikes and cars. Xbox is cheaper and nowhere near as hard to master.

But I also find they are unwilling to pit them selves in open competition. They are afraid to lose. It's all about image.They're happy enough to turn up and take a selfie of themselves at the track but as for me trying to find a passenger for my next race meeting .....
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You have to admire a builder willing to sacrifice/mod/alter a factory race frame to achieve his goals.
Sometimes, only the best will do.

I'm curious as to how big that engine is.

Also, they don't make you run a catch tank at Bonneville ?
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Ah yes, your right of course. Also tells my why you would pull down Abe Lincolns place to build a Motel 1.
you are dead wrong.. it was not my decision to tear it down.i'm the only one here that new what it was.thank you very little for Jerking me around!
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Don't get me wrong Bruc, I mourn the destruction of history.

We recently had a mining company blow up 60,000 year old caves that contained Aboriginal art. Wall paintings. That same company by the way is looking to do the same thing to the Hopi Indians.

I now live in a culture that doesn't really value old things, including old people.

We now have politicians saying "The fraud and corruption I omitted is in the past. We now want to move forward and look to the future."
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pause at 10:45 you will see the payne carb posted by chuck.
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Thanks Doc. There's some history in there.

Question: How brave do you have to be to lay over top of a supercharger on full song ?

I also find it intriguing that Warner built engines that were faster then the HD race shop version. I'm guessing HD limited themselves to their own cylinders etc ?

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I also find it intriguing that Warner built engines that were faster then the HD race shop version. I'm guessing HD limited themselves to their own cylinders etc ?

the factory race dept officially attended only ama sanctioned events.
(remember the race dept was just a handful of guys. you aint talking joe gibbs racing here).


parts were produced by the via the production dept, and i believe it was production who assembled the over the counter r models.


so race had very little to do with drag racers or speed trials.


some hillclimbs were an ama sanctioned event but you didnt see the dept there. although they did back the dealers who supplied the the amateur racers with stuff that wasnt available over the counter.


afaik hd never asked or told any one to remove the company name from their privateer mounts even though the company line was use only our parts and dont modify your bike unless we give you instructions how to do so.


privateers using aftermarket were were the on cover of many bike rags at that time.


none of this was lost on hd bigwigs.
id didnt cost them anything to reap the name recognition.


so it was a no brainer for the company to supply unfinished (so the user could modify them) race parts to the privateer supply chain at an affordable price. and if asked they would hand you over the engineering drawings (blueprints) free. it was just better for the company to do so.( the Japanese were breathing down their necks so making the privateers reverse engineer was waste of valuable time that could be used to stay on top).


thinking the race dept was rolls royce is romantic, its just wasnt how it was.
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I never really thought HD put anywhere near enough into the race department.

"Racing improves the breed".

Don't know who said that, but it's true.

HD was a bigger company than Honda in 1959 when Honda first went racing. 10 years later you couldn't win a World Championship unless you rode one. And that year they introduced their 750 4.

I think it was very short sighted of Harley to outsource their research and development as well as their race department.

Had AMF not come along and saved their bacon in 69 they would have sunk beneath the waves like Indian.
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