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Old 15th August 2021
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I'm in the same boat health wise. I hope to make it two more years, but we'll have to see. I have a Japanese bike also, and its a different riding experience. The Harley is less re-fined and more of a 'visceral' experience. I enjoy them both. The Harley will stay. I ain't interested in the new sportster S. I have watched youtube videos of it and I prefer to stay with what I've got: under-square bore and the resulting torque. Remember when the Harley ads used to say 'let me introduce you to torque'?
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It seems that all the people complaining about HD making something new are the same people that have absolutely no interest in buying another motorcycle, regardless of its model or age. Newer models aren’t marketed towards a demographic that stopped buying bikes ten years ago.

I love my Sporty, but I am absolutely looking forward to newer, more advanced models. All of the Harley “loyalists” and “real customers” refuse to even give newer models a chance, and refuse to see what improvements and adjustments will be made over the next few years.

Harley is dying because it is a slave to people like that, constantly bitching about change while simultaneously avoiding purchase of ANY bike beyond the one they’ve owned for a decade.

Bitching about emissions regulations, industry shifts towards renewables, and government mandates makes you all a bunch of whiners. You sound like the same retards that stormed the Capital in the name of freedom.

Evolve or die. Adapt to the new or get left behind. Even if Harley made the exact bike you were asking for none of you would buy it. It would just be a new excuse to avoid it.

It’s time for Harley’s old “loyal” fan base to just die off already, since they haven’t been supporting the company anyways.


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harley will die because in their hubris they refuse to sell a bike for less than $15000. the median price to 'join the family' is over $20000 if one looks at all models for sale. harley sells to old people because old people have money. the leadership of the moco intend to target harley-davidson as a 'boutique' brand, like lamborghini and ferrari. the marketing plan is selling fewer, higher priced motorcycles to an eager to purchase public. this is a flawed premise. there might be ten people on this planet who consider harley-davidson a manufacturer of premier motorcycles, like ducati or aprilia or even bmw. harley is what it is, a producer of generally useful, functional motorcycles with a romantic past. unfortunately, there are a lot of bikes that are just like the sportster 's' that sell for $15000, but there is NO other bike sold by ANY manufacturer that is like the sportster.

the moco has manufactured prototypes of upgraded and usefully improved sportsters over the years, and each time decided the cost of production was not worthwhile since the machine it would replace already sold every unit manufactured. this was not the consumer's decision not to buy it, it was the moco's not to sell it.

i must reject your premise that the members of this forum who reject this inferior in functionality, overly expensive replacement are retrograde whiners or retards. rather, each generation of sportster purchaser have generally embraced improvements to the basic machine, such as the evolution engine in place of the ironhead, the improved five speed transmission that replaced the four, the improved charging system, the clean and quiet belt drive, the improved comfort afforded by rubber mounting the engine, the increased horsepower from fuel injection, etc.

the moco turned their back on the 'new to the brand' purchaser when they chose to end production of their best selling model worldwide, the street 750. americans hated it. the world loved it, especially the world of purchasers who don't have $15000 to drop on an expensive toy.

the criticisms of the sportster 's' are valid. how many months before the first lawsuit for leg burns to a rider in a los angeles traffic jam? the execrable riding position, the poor range, the lack of fenders, the clownish tires; these are observable facts a person may consider before they purchase this machine. i expect many will and decide to purchase something else.

the biggest problem with this model isn't even the shortcomings of the design of this replacement model; it's the very strong likelihood that even if the moco could sell 36000 units a year to replace the revenue 60000 sportster and streets brought to the company, the purchaser of the sportster 's' is most likely a person who would have purchased a fatboy, a springer or an fl. * the moco will merely sell one big twin instead of another big twin. there is no increase in overall revenue from the sale, and eventual failure of the company is the result.

this discussion has become tedious and saddening. this is my last post on this topic. going out to the garage and spin a wrench on my sportster.

*but not an fxr, the dyna is cancelled too.

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I just bought a really nice 2003 Sportster 1200 to go with my 2006. I now have to sell one of my other bikes to make room for it. It was a tough choice to make, but the fact is that my 2006 Sportster is the most enjoyable bike I've owned out of around 50, and I had to make sure I always have a Sportster. I made a huge mistake selling my 1966 Triumph Bonneville back in the mid '80s. Now a bike comparable to it costs around $15K. I will not make that mistake with the Sportster. I have had a lot of bikes similar to the "new" Sportster, only real difference was they didn't say Harley Davidson on them. H-D no longer makes anything I want, so there is no chance of me ever buying anything new from them. H-D has never been a great company, they have been scamming customers for decades. But at least they used to make some great bikes. Not anymore.
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harley will die because in their hubris they refuse to sell a bike for less than $15000. the median price to 'join the family' is over $20000 if one looks at all models for sale. harley sells to old people because old people have money. the leadership of the moco intend to target harley-davidson as a 'boutique' brand, like lamborghini and ferrari. the marketing plan is selling fewer, higher priced motorcycles to an eager to purchase public. this is a flawed premise. there might be ten people on this planet who consider harley-davidson a manufacturer of premier motorcycles, like ducati or aprilia or even bmw. harley is what it is, a producer of generally useful, functional motorcycles with a romantic past. unfortunately, there are a lot of bikes that are just like the sportster 's' that sell for $15000, but there is NO other bike sold by ANY manufacturer that is like the sportster.

the moco has manufactured prototypes of upgraded and usefully improved sportsters over the years, and each time decided the cost of production was not worthwhile since the machine it would replace already sold every unit manufactured. this was not the consumer's decision not to buy it, it was the moco's not to sell it.

i must reject your premise that the members of this forum who reject this inferior in functionality, overly expensive replacement are retrograde whiners or retards. rather, each generation of sportster purchaser have generally embraced improvements to the basic machine, such as the evolution engine in place of the ironhead, the improved five speed transmission that replaced the four, the improved charging system, the clean and quiet belt drive, the improved comfort afforded by rubber mounting the engine, the increased horsepower from fuel injection, etc.

the moco turned their back on the 'new to the brand' purchaser when they chose to end production of their best selling model worldwide, the street 750. americans hated it. the world loved it, especially the world of purchasers who don't have $15000 to drop on an expensive toy.

the criticisms of the sportster 's' are valid. how many months before the first lawsuit for leg burns to a rider in a los angeles traffic jam? the execrable riding position, the poor range, the lack of fenders, the clownish tires; these are observable facts a person may consider before they purchase this machine. i expect many will and decide to purchase something else.

the biggest problem with this model isn't even the shortcomings of the design of this replacement model; it's the very strong likelihood that even if the moco could sell 36000 units a year to replace the revenue 60000 sportster and streets brought to the company, the purchaser of the sportster 's' is most likely a person who would have purchased a fatboy, a springer or an fl. * the moco will merely sell one big twin instead of another big twin. there is no increase in overall revenue from the sale, and eventual failure of the company is the result.

this discussion has become tedious and saddening. this is my last post on this topic. going out to the garage and spin a wrench on my sportster.

*but not an fxr, the dyna is cancelled too.
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It seems that all the people complaining about HD making something new are the same people that have absolutely no interest in buying another motorcycle, regardless of its model or age. Newer models aren’t marketed towards a demographic that stopped buying bikes ten years ago.

I love my Sporty, but I am absolutely looking forward to newer, more advanced models. All of the Harley “loyalists” and “real customers” refuse to even give newer models a chance, and refuse to see what improvements and adjustments will be made over the next few years.

Harley is dying because it is a slave to people like that, constantly bitching about change while simultaneously avoiding purchase of ANY bike beyond the one they’ve owned for a decade.

Bitching about emissions regulations, industry shifts towards renewables, and government mandates makes you all a bunch of whiners. You sound like the same retards that stormed the Capital in the name of freedom.

Evolve or die. Adapt to the new or get left behind. Even if Harley made the exact bike you were asking for none of you would buy it. It would just be a new excuse to avoid it.

It’s time for Harley’s old “loyal” fan base to just die off already, since they haven’t been supporting the company anyways.


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Bitching about emissions regulations, industry shifts towards renewables, and government mandates makes you all a bunch of whiners. You sound like the same retards that stormed the Capital in the name of freedom.
I see the gloves are off. Politicizing people who have a different view on a motorcycle? Well done
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The moco have just change the air box and tank location and call it sportster.
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I finally went down and looked at both the pan america and sportster S. Given both choices as they are right now, I'd put money down for the pan.

The this sportster S is a little too wide and chunky. The front wheel is absurdly large. In person looks ridiculous. Pictures do no justice to just how large that rim and tire combo is. I felt like the floor was slanting towards the front wheel because you can feel the needless weight thats gonna make braking harder and acceleration harder than a powerful bike like that needs it to be.
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