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What about the V Twin brand NAPA carries? Harley oil is like 8 bucks a quart at my dealer
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It's SL rated so it should have plenty of ZDDP.
ZDDP 1-5%
cSt @ 40C - 153
cSt @ 100C - 17.5
Flash Point - 180°C (356°F)
Highly Refined Base Oil, group 2-3 semi-synth?
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I run straight 50 W. Hasn't really gotten cold here yet
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Bottle says full synthetic.
There goes that rub again....

I'd use it.

I used Valvoline 4 stroke 20W50 dino for a couple years because it was close and $8 a bottle at Advance Auto.
API Service Category: SF/SG/SJ

See what I mean?
These oils have the main ingredients in them. Change it according to the MoCo and ride.
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most mfg's have straight and multi-weight oils in heavy duty service applications.
shell rotella for one. to get the better price, find a jobber and not a retail outlet. you may have to buy in bulk but, hey, you will use it.
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That's helpful.
I 'll peruse through some of these.


CarQuest SAE 15W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil
Labeled: API CK-4, CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4/SN
Zinc -1164 ppm
Phosphorous - 1058
Moly - 1064
cSt at 40C - 119
cSt at 100C - 15.6
TBn - 9.67
VI - 138

What does magnesium and calcium do?
Over 1,000 ppm for ea.
Is that the abrasion?
Think of magnesium and calcium as an antacid for your oil, oil will get acidic from use the magnesium and calcium neutralizes the acid, look at the main ingredients in Rolaids, same concept, my take on oil, most all oils now is far superior to oils of the past, find one you like and stick with it.
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That makes sense.
But, what makes diesel oil, diesel oil. Difference to auto oil I guess.

Diesel engines make more ash, the oils for them are suppose to have more detergents in them to control that. That's all I've gotten from the publications I remember reading.

I'm working all over oil pumps right and haven't been able to sink into it real good.
But, I 'd like to know more.
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One thing diesel oils have had to take into account is increased sulfur in the diesel fuel.
Gasoline has been around 80 ppm sulfur and is now limited even further.
Diesel has been up to about 500 ppm sulfur but that is also being reduced.

Diesel oils generally have higher starting Total Base number for more acid fighting ability.
(more detergents / dispersants)

Generally diesel oils also have a higher level of protection against soot-related viscosity increase and viscosity loss due to shear in diesel engines.
Soot particles are normally around 1 um, ash particles are around 5 um so may not be removed by the oil filter. (especially a HD Sportster 20 um nominal filter )
https://www.ctscorp.com/products/sen...nces-ash-soot/

(you can increase the carbon (soot) load on the oil running richer AFRs in an air cooled gas engine)
https://www.vehicleservicepros.com/v...-engine-issues

The increased shear in diesels comes from the normally higher compression ratios.

https://www.lubrizoladditives360.com...-affects-wear/

Soot dispersancy is an important lubricant property. It is defined as the lubricant's ability to keep soot particles finely dispersed and avoid agglomeration into larger soot particles.
This can be measured with a simple method known as the blotter spot test, which allows for a visual representation of the soot's dispersancy.
https://www.machinerylubrication.com...er-spot-method

From a maintenance perspective, when the ring begins to form around the exterior of the oil blotter, it is time to look at scheduling a drain. If the black dot is allowed to form, the situation is problematic because the undispersed portion of soot that has deposited upon surfaces will not be removed by the oil change. Often, several changes made at frequent intervals will be required to effectively scour the engine clean. Also, if dispersancy performance degrades at an unusually rapid pace, a more extensive review of combustion and ring performance should be undertaken.
https://www.astm.org/Standards/D7899.htm

In a UOA the insoluble percent can indicate the level of soot / ash.
The pentane insolubles test, the light extinction method and thermogravimetric analysis. The pentane insolubles test consists of separating insolubles from the oil with the aid of a solvent mixed with the lubricant.

https://www.machinerylubrication.com...iesel-oil-soot
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oils are more scientific nowdays. ex: natural gas engines are extremely clean burning because of the fuel so they require diff additive package. they do not tolerate some detergents because it forms carbon build up under the rings so they use an ashless oil. can you use a diesel lube, sure, in the past, we used to do so but engine mfg have gotten into the game and with R&D found what works best.
an EMD locomotive engine has diff requirements than a detroit. we also have to factor in the working environment. a detroit in boat will see high transit loads but the EMD basically just turns a generator.
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One thing diesel oils have had to take into account is increased sulfur in the diesel fuel.
Thank you.

That ought to be some good reading.
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