The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®
 

Go Back   The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM® > SPORTSTER MOTORCYCLE FORUM > Sportster Motorcycle Suspension, Frame, Forks, Handlebars, Fuel Tank, Oil Tank, Fenders
XLF Blogs XLF Arcade XLF Disclaimer/Privacy Statement/Terms Of Use

Sportster Motorcycle Suspension, Frame, Forks, Handlebars, Fuel Tank, Oil Tank, Fenders Discuss Sportster Motorcycle Suspension, Frame, Forks, Handlebars, Fuel Tank, Oil Tank, Fenders problems, advice, and/or how tos.

Active Threads
0 Wheel Bearings Seals Changed?
Last Post: kuri77
Posted On: 1 Minute Ago
Replies: 3
Views: 250
14 Iconic Parts that say it's a Harley!
Last Post: ed_in_az
Posted On: 10 Minutes Ago
Replies: 8
Views: 255
0 A Day in the Life...
Last Post: DK Custom
Posted On: 12 Minutes Ago
Replies: 599
Views: 58,636
0 Lets see your off season builds
Last Post: cycowrencher
Posted On: 22 Minutes Ago
Replies: 1,171
Views: 127,717
0 New England 2018
Last Post: Boudwood
Posted On: 48 Minutes Ago
Replies: 316
Views: 18,450
0 SERIOUS 1275 engine issues!! PLEASE HELP!!
Last Post: Randy_rots
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 27
Views: 325
0 Really Hard to start XL1200 C
Last Post: Davo_137
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 1
Views: 24
0 Poll for the legalization of cannabis
Last Post: ed_in_az
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 450
Views: 56,118
0 2016+ Roadster wheel PN
Last Post: Screw Loose Dan
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 24
Views: 5,754
0 Official XL Forum Random Image Thread (NO NUDITY!)
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 42,229
Views: 6,543,211
0 77 kicker engagement issues
Last Post: brucstoudt
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 11
Views: 338
0 Food porn
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 990
Views: 141,866
0 Hottie of the day, no nudity.
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 9,185
Views: 754,270
0 Fork oil
Last Post: wedge
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 7
Views: 205
0 "The Blues" thread!
Last Post: Graywolf
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 861
Views: 71,086
0 2019 East Coast Meet and Greet
Last Post: pdavis5160
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 8
Views: 122
3 Making my own exhaust gaskets?
Last Post: Toejam503
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 17
Views: 437
0 Iree's jukbox joint
Last Post: rokytnji
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 4,907
Views: 284,542
0 95 1200 Sportster >>> roadworthy
Last Post: JackFrost71
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 15
Views: 608
0 Mounting saddlebags 85 Sportster
Last Post: Matt397
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 14
Views: 259
0 What S&S card for 04 XL1200C
Last Post: spitfirechopper
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 11
Views: 320
0 You asked for it! "The Tess' Coffee Thread"
Last Post: decman
Posted On: 6 Hours Ago
Replies: 10,414
Views: 747,776
0 paging @sportsterdoc!! (Carb Problems)
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 7 Hours Ago
Replies: 30
Views: 1,108
0 Guzzi V7
Last Post: Bone
Posted On: 7 Hours Ago
Replies: 20
Views: 468
0 Buell to Sportster wiring graft
Last Post: IXL2Relax
Posted On: 8 Hours Ago
Replies: 3
Views: 146
0 over drive
Last Post: Hippysmack
Posted On: 8 Hours Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 188
0 What are you drinking tonight?
Last Post: Crusty
Posted On: 9 Hours Ago
Replies: 1,922
Views: 114,993
0 Who's still riding???
Last Post: Iron Mike
Posted On: 10 Hours Ago
Replies: 124
Views: 8,668
0 ....1
Last Post: Graywolf
Posted On: 11 Hours Ago
Replies: 4,721
Views: 235,399
0 Hot Rods, Rat Rods, and Customs.
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 11 Hours Ago
Replies: 2,867
Views: 282,227
More...
Members Birthdays
kartooo (65), shotgun willy (49), jace (43), crosscut (41), 99fireredls1 (38)
Sponsored Links
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 13th September 2018
ParrotHead's Avatar
ParrotHead ParrotHead is offline
I am the great Cornholio!
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Near Philly
Posts: 7,582
Sportster/Buell Model: 1200R
Sportster/Buell Year: 2006
Sportster/Buell Model #2: 1200R
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2007
Other Motorcycle Model: Suzuki GT550
Other Motorcycle Year: 1974
Reputation: 6084598
ParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond reputeParrotHead has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone View Post
I hate to tell you but a LOT of people NEVER check/adjust fallaway.

Also I can't think of another brand that uses that method to check the steering head bearings.

MOST brands basically say something like:

"Move handlebars back and for feeling for binding, stiffness"

"Grasp front brake and push down/pull up loading and unloading the front suspension and feel for looseness. Listen/feel for a clicking sound which would indicate too much play at the bearing"

Or something like that.

Adjustments vary, many with an initial torque setting that you use to seat new bearings, then you back it off a certain amount or retighten it to a much lower setting etc. I think like trailer wheel bearings (or those on old cars) it's a point of just snug, no preload.
My experience with fallaway after 234,000 miles is that my beer cup falls away when I bump it off the table. I never checked mine. I did have some slop in the bearings around 50,000 or so miles and had them adjusted and then replaced them when I replaced my lower triple tree after my accident in 2015. I may have had 170,000 miles on the bike at the time.

How did you tie the bike down on the trailer? Any chance you tweaked something? Was it in a wheel chock and did you tie it down using the handlebars?
__________________
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
John Wayne - "The Shootist"

Check out my Blog for my trip reports:

Click here to listen to my interview on the Motorcycle Men Podcast

Click here for the Sportsterpedia! for technical information & advice
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 13th September 2018
ed_in_az's Avatar
ed_in_az ed_in_az is online now
Master Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,044
Sportster/Buell Model: Nightster
Sportster/Buell Year: 2008
Reputation: 1333413
ed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Thanks for the input guys.


Yes, when I bought the bike the was sloppy, loose. I lifted it and could look in and see the bearing! The dealer adjusted it and declared it AOK. It handled fine after, but I expected it to have been damaged.


For trailering I ratcheted both sides to the lower fork trees with the front tire centered and bungeed to the trailer. Back wheel centered and strapped too.


I'm suspecting bearings too(?). The bead is ALMOST perfectly aligned after their remount of the tire. Anyone had a defective brand name tire do something like this? I'm thinking of asking if my old tire is still at the shop to have it mounted again for a test run. I know they won't want to call their new one bad.


For now, my 1200 might as well be a 250 with it's top speed crippled like this.
__________________
2008 Nightster 1200 Convertible: Touring/Bobber SE Stage I
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 14th September 2018
toe's Avatar
toe toe is offline
Senior Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 2,536
Sportster/Buell Model: 883C
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Reputation: 473244
toe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I had a rear tire that took about a day for the bead to finally pop into place......

I was pumping it up to max pressure, let it sit awhile.

Let all the air out, let it sit awhile.

Repeat.
__________________
Ed

The Only Y2K dual-set 883C
So Cal
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 14th September 2018
Four Speed Four Speed is offline
Senior Chief Know It All 1st Class
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,183
Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster 883 Hugger
Sportster/Buell Year: 1988
Reputation: 415800
Four Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond reputeFour Speed has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
I lifted it and could look in and see the bearing! The dealer adjusted it and declared it AOK. It handled fine after, but I expected it to have been damaged.
Not ideal! I would replace them with genuine Timkens. Easy job but you may need access to a workbench to remove the lower race and fabricate a bearing press to install the bearings square - don't resort to a lump hammer to install them!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 14th September 2018
Bone's Avatar
Bone Bone is online now
Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Medford, NJ
Posts: 10,829
Sportster/Buell Model: 1200Lr
Sportster/Buell Year: 2007
Sportster/Buell Model #2: FLHP
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2016
Other Motorcycle Model: 13 Guzzi V7 / 11 Duc 696
Other Motorcycle Year: 2013
Reputation: 3458839
Bone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I kinda wonder if they were damaged when you got it, dealer set it up as best they could without disassembling to inspect them, but they have always been not quite right since.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 14th September 2018
ed_in_az's Avatar
ed_in_az ed_in_az is online now
Master Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,044
Sportster/Buell Model: Nightster
Sportster/Buell Year: 2008
Reputation: 1333413
ed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond reputeed_in_az has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I adjusted fall away today tighter to 5.5in

No difference

Next up = new bearings
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 15th September 2018
Jollly Rogers Jollly Rogers is offline
Chief Know It All
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Northeastern West Virginia
Posts: 436
Sportster/Buell Model: 883 custom
Sportster/Buell Year: 2006
Reputation: 734393
Jollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond reputeJollly Rogers has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Did the bike vibrate BEFORE the dealer mounted the front tire???
If it did not vibrate, the only thing that changed that could cause it to vibrate is the tire. Hard parts fail gradually over many miles. There are specs in the service manual that put limits on wheel/tire runout. Were they measured? Any visible bead to rim runout is a clue.
Mounting a tire without lubing the beads can cause the incomplete bead seat.
Joe
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 15th September 2018
Bone's Avatar
Bone Bone is online now
Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Medford, NJ
Posts: 10,829
Sportster/Buell Model: 1200Lr
Sportster/Buell Year: 2007
Sportster/Buell Model #2: FLHP
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2016
Other Motorcycle Model: 13 Guzzi V7 / 11 Duc 696
Other Motorcycle Year: 2013
Reputation: 3458839
Bone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond reputeBone has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Jolly, though I agree with you almost fully.

Sometimes what changes if just enough to reveal another problem that was already there.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #19  
Old 15th September 2018
toe's Avatar
toe toe is offline
Senior Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 2,536
Sportster/Buell Model: 883C
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Reputation: 473244
toe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond repute
Default

With the front off the ground, spin the tire and see if it's out of round. (hold something against the fender and see if it intermittently rubs)

There's also a little rib on the tire that should be the same distance away from the rim on both sides to indicate that the bead has fully seated.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 15th September 2018
toe's Avatar
toe toe is offline
Senior Custom Bike Builder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 2,536
Sportster/Buell Model: 883C
Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
Reputation: 473244
toe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond reputetoe has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Was tire balanced?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Sponsored Links
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 00:41.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
XL Forum® - Linson Media LLC