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A motorcycle convoy as it seemed to be would dictate all riders conform to the leader's pace and maintain your position. The speeding jackass increased the odds of an accident by leaving his position in the convoy as did the left turner! The speeder in my opinion is the cause.
The guy turning left was attempting to get into position to block the side road. He must have been (my opinion) part of the traffic control team.
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I thought the guy speeding was at fault.There's no need to speed past a bunch of riders at that speed. He could have passed at a much more reasonable speed.
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The guy hauling @zz passing on the left. Interesting reading the responses.
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The driver turning left is at fault. Very few circumstances were someone turning left isn't at fault (most of those involve traffic signals) and since it seems it was a legal to pass there, the driver turning left has to yield to all vehicles. That's why I am always cautious passing and turning left where it is legal to be passed.

Wasn't long ago a young lady turned left and killed a biker that was passing her on the highway I travel everyday.

I think she recently got manslaughter conviction. I'll see if I can find the article for the conviction.

Here is the accident.

https://theclewistonnews.com/human-i...-s-r-80-wreck/
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If you're turning, you don't have to yield to vehicles coming from behind you. Someone who hits a vehicle ahead from behind is always at fault, IMO.
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Did you read the article? It is clear that you do have to yield when turning left to passing cars on the left. Just recently the girl was convicted, I believe with manslaughter.


I found nothing saying it was any different anywhere in the USA or Canada.
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Someone who hits a vehicle ahead from behind is always at fault, IMO.
This is not always true, if that were the case, I could cut in front of you and slam on my brakes and potentially legally kill you as you smack the rear of my car.
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I found nothing saying it was any different anywhere in the USA or Canada.
Wasn't the video in Poland, or somewhere? Who knows what the rules of the road are there.
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This is not always true, if that were the case, I could cut in front of you and slam on my brakes and potentially legally kill you as you smack the rear of my car.
Yes, that's an obvious exception, and it's not hard to think of one or two others. In general, though …
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The owner’s burden placed upon a left-turning motorist is not discharged by the mere signaling of an intention to turn. The giving of a signal is immaterial if at the time the driver of the turning vehicle did not have the opportunity to make the turn in safety.

The left turning motorist also has the duty to yield to all vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are within the intersection or so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard. Some courts have gone as far to say that when the left-turning motorist observes a vehicle approaching from the rear, it is a dereliction of duty to fail to look a second time before commencing the left hand turn.
This statement is from a legal site.

I have yet to find anything in Europe or anywhere else on the globe that would counter that a left turning vehicle has to yield in all but a very few instances and those involve traffic signals, stop signs, etc., specifically giving them the right of way.

I make a left turn onto my road everyday and the dashed yellow lines allow overtaking (passing), I have to look in my rearview mirrors and/or over my shoulder to insure no one is overtaking me before I turn left, period.

If you can't see this, perhaps you should rethink your use of the road and the dangers you pose.

In all of the laws I could find, it also mentions checking behind you when you plan to pass on the left, another instance of a motor vehicle being rear ended and the fault goes to the driver in the front.

Obviously, it would refer to passing on the right and making right turns in some countries that drive on the left side of the road.

Even if it was a no overtaking zone and the overtaking motorcycle were speeding, fault would still be on the one turning left, the other may get tickets for the infractions, but the one turning left has the burden to yield, period.

Some of y'all do not need to be driving or least turning left.
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