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Here are particle counts from my UOAs, HD standard Sportster filter, 2 Mobil 1 M1MC131, and the HD Premium 5.

The Premium 5 has been the worst at 14 and larger micron particles.

Next UOA I should have info on a WIX 57148.


Code:
+----------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
|     Filter     |   HD B   | M1MC131  | M1MC131  | HD 5 mic |
|                |63805-80A |                     |63731-99A |
+----------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| Particle Count |          |          |          |          |
|                |          |          |          |          |
| ISO Code (2)   | 21/14    | 18/14    | 20/15    | 20/17    |
| NAS 1638 Class | 12       | 10       | 12       | 12       |l
| ISO Code (3)   | 24/21/14 | 24/18/14 | 24/20/15 | 24/20/17 |
| SAE AS4059 cpc | 12       | 12       | 12       | 12       |
| 4 Micron       | 122237   | 85538    | 99920    | 95886    |
| 6 Micron       | 18446    | 2430     | 8597     | 7971     |
| 14 Micron      | 97       | 117      | 269      | 1139     |
| 21 Micron      | 23       | 22       | 36       | 412      |
| 38 Micron      | 3        | 2        | 3        | 42       |
| 70 Micron      | 0        | 0        | 0        | 2        |
+----------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Contraire; the more is the particules count the better is the filtering media. Also if your motor has over 14 micron's particule, I would be worry.
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Contraire; the more is the particules count the better is the filtering media. Also if your motor has over 14 micron's particule, I would be worry.
14 microns is about 0.0005 inch.

The particle counts are not from the filter media, they are the number of particles in a sample of oil from my engine. Smaller numbers would show better filtration.
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Ok I taught it was the particiles from the filter.
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I guess the only true way to measure the particles is, Sample the oil coming out of the filter. This way you can see What size is passing through.
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OIL – HOW CLEAN DOES IT HAVE TO BE?
by: Mike Sondalini in collaboration with Don Irvine of Donamar Filters. Data supplied by Donamar Filters
Clean, dry oil can extend equipment life between failure up to 8 - 10 times the normal operating life.
Timken, the bearing manufacturer, reports that reducing water levels from 100 ppm (parts per million) to 25 ppm increases bearing life 2 times.

British hydraulics research indicate that if solids contamination with particles larger than 5 micron (0.005 mm or 0.0002”)
is reduced from the range of 5,000 – 10,000 particles per milliliter of oil to 160 – 320 particles, the machine life is increased 5 times.

If you want extremely low wear rates and long equipment life the evidence indicates that oil needs to be filtered down to sub 5 micron size
and preferably down to one micron size.
Additives dissolved in the oil will not be removed unless the additive is attached to a solid particle.

SAE Technical Paper 942032: “It’s a commonly known fact that lubrication oil does not wear out mechanically, and if kept clean will maintain its lubrication qualities intact almost indefinitely”
Contaminants between 2 and 20 microns in size can be particularly damaging since they can disrupt hydrodynamic lubrication by entering wear surface.”

One such study by General Motors concluded that, "controlling particles in the 3 micron to 10 micron range had the greatest impact
on wear rates and that engine wear rates correlated directly to the dust concentration levels in the sump."

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And the Sad thing is, AC Delco E Oil filters are basically Junk now.
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Good evidence based info once again shanneba!
Perhaps this is a harbinger for ultra fine bypass filters to appear on Harleys.
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Here is the latest UOA particle counts, 5000 miles on a WIX 57148 filter.

It didn't do as well as the Standard HD Sportster filter.
I thought it would do better.

Code:
+-----------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+-----------+
| Particle Count  |          |          |          |          |           |
| filter          | HD B     | M1MC131  | M1MC131  | HD 5 mic | WIX 51748 |
| ISO Code (2)    | 21/14    | 18/14    | 20/15    | 20/17    | 22/16     |
| NAS 1638 Class  | 12       | 10       | 12       | 12       | 12        |
| ISO Code (3)    | 24/21/14 | 24/18/14 | 24/20/15 | 24/20/17 | 24/22/16  |
| SAE AS4059 cpc  | 12       | 12       | 12       | 12       | 12        |
| 4 Micron        | 122237   | 85538    | 99920    | 95886    | 121960    |
| 6 Micron        | 18446    | 2430     | 8597     | 7971     | 25675     |
| 14 Micron       | 97       | 117      | 269      | 1139     | 485       |
| 21 Micron       | 23       | 22       | 36       | 412      | 96        |
| 38 Micron       | 3        | 2        | 3        | 42       | 14        |
| 70 Micron       | 0        | 0        | 0        | 2        | 3         |
| total particles | 140806   | 88109    | 108825   | 105452   | 148233    |
| wear metals     | 164      | 90       | 91       | 98       | 228       |
+-----------------+----------+----------+----------+----------+-----------+

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