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congrats Mo.Co.
just finished a thorough reading about the new Reflex Defensive Rider System packages
it seems to me a masterpiece job
nothing to envy compared to other brands packages
(only pricey... but we are being used to that)

only God know how badly needed were that electronic improvements on such heavy (and now even powerful) bikes

sadly is stock only on 2020 LiveWire, CVO, Police and Trike models and optional on all other 2020 Touring domestic models (except Electra Glide Standard models)...

IMO that package would be stock even on Roadster, FXDR, Low Rider S models... and optional for all the other models in production
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Just a problem waiting to happen. I have no use for such crap to malfunction. KISS...Keep it simple stupid.
Exactly!!!!

I've had to deal with all that crap on my semi trucks for the last 15 or so years. Even if the MoCO's version is 50% more reliable than what's on my truck, it's still going to be a problem 75% of the time.

Thinking my 05 Rubbermount is going to be the newest bike I want.
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Exactly!!!!

I've had to deal with all that crap on my semi trucks for the last 15 or so years. Even if the MoCO's version is 50% more reliable than what's on my truck, it's still going to be a problem 75% of the time.

Thinking my 05 Rubbermount is going to be the newest bike I want.
I know my 05 is. All this new fangled safety crap is just that. Crap. I want my bike to do what I want, not what IT wants. All my vehicles for that matter. Really don't care for ABS either. Constantly malfunctioning on the big trucks anyway. I sure wouldnt pay extra for it as an option. I trust my skills waaayyy more than some computer chip.
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The vast majority of competitor brands had achieved high level of reliability in electronic packages....

IMO
1 These packages are either useful than a joy to ride...
they can also save lives...

2 Mo.Co. could make it like other...

i rode since 14 all year round... had also my racing days... but i dont think my ability and skills are better than electronics...

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Even more distraction; That my opinion.
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The problem is when people lack the necessary skills because they depend on this junk.
Take ABS for example. How you brake is totally different with ABS than we were taught. Kids today lack the skills to even brake without it in adverse conditions. When it fails, they're a danger to themselves and everyone around them.
Now we have vehicles that decide when to brake? Are you f'n kidding me? If you need or want a vehicle that drives itself, I hope you stay off the roads I'm on.

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At this rate, if earlier model Sportsters stop being available to replace my bike if it breaks beyond repair (hopefully doesn't happen), my next vehicle of choice could end up being a Lada.
The smarter the machine, the dumber the operator.

And here in Oz some moron decided it was a good idea to mandate all MY2019+ motorcycles must have ABS installed (I think >250cc) with no option to turn it off (unless it's one of those trail bikes), because Europe did it and monkey see monkey do. No doubt the person who came up with that nonsense has never ridden a bike, and probably thinks Wild Hogs is a documentary.

Some years ago, VicRoads managed to embarrass themselves when they tried to encourage people to install ABS units on their motorcycles. Now any mechanic or tech worth their salt would know this is a disaster waiting to happen, and VicRoads were forced to make a redaction.
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So
More reliable a DC3 than a modern Airbus...

As for the bikes... world changes... people have to adapt and to learn consequently...

but to each is own...

P.S. test rode a MT10SP... that bike is so powerful you need electronics... she does not exist without...
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More reliable a DC3 than a modern Airbus...

As for the bikes... world changes... people have to adapt and to learn consequently...

but to each is own...

P.S. test rode a MT10SP... that bike is so powerful you need electronics... she does not exist without...
Actually a DC3 is very reliable. Thats why they've been around for over 80 years. Where will that modern Airbus be in 80 years? Probably in a scrap heap in 20.
And no, we don't have to adapt. We don't buy vehicles with that garbage and if you need electronics to operate a vehicle safely, you are not a safe driver.
If a vehicle needs it to be safe, it is not a safe vehicle. Electronics fail every day and cannot replace driver skills.
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