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That a lot of parts suppliers are about to get screwed (pennies on the dollar) and what he says:

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http://www.ride-and-read.com/2017/11...etwork-of.html

Means a lot more knock-offs and cheaply made parts.
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Means people are tired of paying a ridiculous premium for parts and prefer to use a discount wholesaler.
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Didn't realize Vance and Hines was part of that group. Maybe Harley will make a bid for them.
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See I don't get that AT ALL.

In decades of riding Harleys I've seen the difference in quality between premium parts and discount stuff. There's a reason a lot of stuff costs what it does. And I'm happy to pay a fair premium for a premium part.

You should try looking at parts and accessories for smaller/lesser known brands. There's a fraction of the selection and the prices are often double or triple what you'd spend for premium Harley aftermarket stuff. Hell, the prices are often more than Harley OEM.

That said, I think this is an indication of overall health of the market, and to some smaller extent the chunk of business taken by other distributors (save Revzilla over J&P, but that's a small piece of MAG's business, since on the other hand ZLA carries products from MAG's supplier side of the business).
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I'm fine with paying a premium for a premium part but more and more "premium" parts are just priced premium without the premium quality. They say you get what you pay for but unfortunately that's becoming less and less common. prices are going up while parts are being made crappier all in the name of profit.
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I'm fine with paying a premium for a premium part but more and more "premium" parts are just priced premium without the premium quality. They say you get what you pay for but unfortunately that's becoming less and less common. prices are going up while parts are being made crappier all in the name of profit.
I hear this a lot, but my problem believing it is that I don't experience it.

Perhaps I vet my parts more before a purchase.

Do you have some examples - parts/suppliers where this has occurred for you recently?

I literally can't think of a part which I'm unhappy with for our Duc or Guzzi (save for the OEM headlight/bucket assembly on the Guzzi which I think is crap but that's another matter).

Let me check something here and come back with some numbers:

Ducati - $558 in accessories, mostly OEM.

Guzzi - $2309 in accessories, mostly aftermarket

FLHP - $1176 in accessories so far, split between OEM and aftermarket

Sporty - my spreadsheet says I've spent $3425 on accessories for her (some where purchased for the previous 05 883 and reused). Going down the list I've not a complaint with anything. There's also another almost $1k in take-off OEM parts purchased (like the complete 1200R front end - forks/brakes) etc.

As I went through those sheets I literally thought about every accessory mentioned and can't think of one I thought was cheap or not worth the premium price.

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This really blows.. all those little independent motorcycle companies got bought out by a big corporation.. and now they're all on the choppin block.. and what happens on the other side of the bk..
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This is indicative of the 'American Dream' being monetized - Instead of entrepreneurship, which creates a particular business, being considered an ongoing, active family or community enterprise, it is simply a money machine from which owners or investors or shareholders place their money to grow it - then remove that money irrelevant of the loss of jobs and ongoing life-support for a community...

This attitude has always been a part of the free market economy, but it seems more prevalent these days... With massive (in size or quantity) takeovers that leverage the availability of borrowing against promises it seems that growing the business from the existing profits, pulling off a reasonable profit for the owner/shareholders and putting a reasonable amount of the profit back into the business (even if only as cash for a buffer against bad years ahead) to assure it's future existence is now the exception...

Then there's the attitude of some workers who similarly 'only want a paycheck' with no investment of their own money (or a share) in the business to make them a stakeholder in the quality of work or proper expectation of expansion or being able to voice their perspective on the business decisions (as a shareholder)...

It just proves that with freedom (the free market) comes many positives, but that we suffer many negatives as well if the attitude of exploiting freedom, rather than preserving it, becomes the dominant approach...

I hate to see businesses faulter, mostly due to improper expansion or expectations, and we all suffer when businesses go bankrupt, because someone else always pays the debt, in one way or another, that the company abandoned...

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See I don't get that AT ALL.

Read the post again. People are tired of paying a ridiculous premium for parts.
Most of the oversized online retailers are getting squeezed by the eBay sellers.
Same parts 20%-50% cheaper.
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Read the post again. People are tired of paying a ridiculous premium for parts.
Most of the oversized online retailers are getting squeezed by the eBay sellers.
Same parts 20%-50% cheaper.
I'm skeptical they are THE SAME parts.

In my experience they are cheap knockoffs, especially the crap shipped straight from China. But again, I'm open to some examples that show a different experience.
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