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i think no, at least for my pockets
from what i heard it will cost more than twice the price of an Iron

interesting bike by the way
Me thinks they may be coping Indian. Anyway, at that price, deal me out. Who do they plan to sell it to?
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Who do they plan to sell to? Good question, on paper young riders in their 20s who'll stay loyal to HD for the next 40-50 years. In reality 20 somethings haven't got the money, debts from university hanging over them for years mean they don't have the cash for new bikes. Especially an expensive one. Not as many kids into bikes as there used to be, my nephews & nieces interest is confined to watching SOA & Mayans MC or having photos taken sat on my bike
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Who do they plan to sell to? Good question, on paper young riders in their 20s who'll stay loyal to HD for the next 40-50 years. In reality 20 somethings haven't got the money, debts from university hanging over them for years mean they don't have the cash for new bikes. Especially an expensive one. Not as many kids into bikes as there used to be, my nephews & nieces interest is confined to watching SOA & Mayans MC or having photos taken sat on my bike



frankly i think you could give the same argument for any bike that harley sells right now. obviously they seem to be having an issue moving bikes as is. i am not sure if that is systemic of the way the market is going or what other factors are causing it.



at the same time i am seeing more and more young people getting into bikes. this view may be anecdotal, but in my area, which is middle tennessee the amount of younger riders has drastically gone up. and i've noticed it doesn't seem to be geared specifically to one type of bike. also i am noticing the amount of female riders is going up as well. which is a good thing.



frankly if i had the money i myself would be interested in this bike. and i am 41. i am not the only 'older' rider whom is tired of the same couch on two wheels and yet doesn't just want a sportbike.
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Twice the price of an Iron would be around 18K. So, that's roughly 1K more than the cost of the 2019 BMW S1000RR then? Plus Trump Tax outside the USA.
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Twice the price of an Iron would be around 18K. So, that's roughly 1K more than the cost of the 2019 BMW S1000RR then? Plus Trump Tax outside the USA.

well considering the closest bike harley makes to the streetfighter at the moment is the FXDR at a price tag of $21k it makes more sense.
the iron and the streetfighter won't be in the same league by a long shot. it's like comparing a potato gun with a rocket launcher.

by the way the prices for 2019 sportsters vary from $8699 to $11299. $11299 being the price of the 2019 roadster which is the most 'performance' oriented sportster they currently make. and in my opinion is overpriced for a sportster by about $4 - $5k. along with the other 2 sportsters selling for the same price.

the mean average price of a sportser is $10370
the median average price is $10999
and the mode average price is $11299

out of the 7 different sportsters harley sells at the moment only 3 of them are below the $10k price point.

prices vary on new 2019 harleys from $6899 at the low end to $43899 at the high end excluding pricing information on trikes.

the mean average price of a 2019 harley is $20799.
the median average price of a harley is $19049
and the mode average is $11299 and $19049.

and almost none of those bikes for those prices come close to the performance or technology involved in the 2019 BMW S1000RR.

couple that with the fact that according to consumer surveys of failure rates honda, yamaha, kawasaki and suzuki make significantly more reliable bikes compared to harley at cheaper prices comparatively speaking according to bike flavor or style i find it hard to justify harley prices to begin with. the 4 japanese bike manufacturers have a failure rate between 11 - 15% while harley has a failure rate of 26%. and again that is according to customer surveys. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...ycle/index.htm

but often you can't beat the value of an iconic brand name when price is considered.

and make no mistake i love my sportster. someone on here has a signature that reads something like 'i never wanted a harley but i love my sportster' well that is me perfectly.

whatever price the streetfighter goes for i am sure, after looking at harleys pricing, that it will be priced appropriately for what it is vs performance vs harley brand name value and fit very well within harleys pricing scheme that is already in place.

whether or not it sells well is another story. tho i hope it does. i am more excited about the streetfighter than any other bike harley is making currently or in the last 20 years with the exception of the livewire.

although if i had around $18-24k to blow on a new bike i think i'd be buying myself a new yamaha vmax.

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in Italy Harleys are much more overpriced than in domestic environment
current US administration trade war worsened the thing even more...

i was seriously considering in 2017 a Superbike (Honda CBR or a Duc Monster)... price (Honda apart... but the dealer is a bro of a dear friend) was pretty much the same...

i choose another Sporty mainly for two reasons

1) Superbikes with all of their technology, goodies and packages after a few years became little more than garbage and their value drop at high speed... on the contrary HDs keep very well their values and there are thousand of spare parts for them even after decades...
2) I'm very pleased to squeeze the Hell out of a low powered bike... instead of riding a powerful tech one but keeping the vast majority of her ponies at bay...

maybe the street fighter is a fair compromise between these two worlds...
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I think this says it all.

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as for the streetfighter... is a good looking bike... wicked and aggressive...also she seems a metric bike... come to my mind Monster family or other naked superbikes...

IMO is the right answer to the new EU5 challenges. i only hope HD engineers know what they are involved in... that is a tech market full of competitors

If you want to sell a superbike... you have to had her equipped with tech stuff...

ABS cornering new generation
new breed of customizable Traction Control
full customizable maps
anti hopping clutch
shift fully reversible
etc...

otherwise that bike is simply not sold... at least in EU...
Less performance for more money is a risky marketing strategy in the performance road bike sector.
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Sad thing about all this New Electronic Technology is that it becomes obsolete after a decade. They don't make upgraded electronics for unpopular bikes that are 20-30 years old.
Try getting your local computer repair shop to make a new circuit board for your '82 Suzuki's electronics. I just hope that 10 years from now Harley can supply future electronic parts that will still service the current models.
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Less performance for more money is a risky marketing strategy.



well as it stands now the streetfighter is in the naked bike category and will have to compete performance wise with the naked bikes or it won't sell. in the US at least, many of the naked bikes that are around the same cc as the streetfighter engine are upwards of 130hp.



ill be very disappointed if the streetfighter, in the US, is less than at least 130hp.


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Sad thing about all this New Electronic Technology is that it becomes obsolete after a decade. They don't make upgraded electronics for unpopular bikes that are 20-30 years old.
Try getting your local computer repair shop to make a new circuit board for your '82 Suzuki's electronics. I just hope that 10 years from now Harley can supply future electronic parts that will still service the current models.

i may be wrong but as far as i understand it vehicle manufacturers are only required to provide parts during the term of a warranty made at the time of sale. at least for cars i know this to be the case. there seems to be a conception that they are required to manufacture parts for up to 10 years after a model is discontinued but i can not find any law that states that. i know when i was shopping for parts for my chrysler conquest and my nissan 240sx (which i sadly do not have either anymore) many of those parts were laying around in a warehouse for years and were made a few years before the warranty of the last models expired. i remember when i went through a period of months trying to track down frame rails for my conquest. i called a LOT of places across the country trying to find those damn things.

i would assume the same thing applies to motorcycle manufacturers. though you know what they say about assumptions.
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ple that with the fact that according to consumer surveys of failure rates honda, yamaha, kawasaki and suzuki make significantly more reliable bikes compared to harley at cheaper prices comparatively speaking according to bike flavor or style i find it hard to justify harley prices to begin with. the 4 japanese bike manufacturers have a failure rate between 11 - 15% while harley has a failure rate of 26%. and again that is according to customer surveys. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...ycle/index.htm
This self-reported consumer crap can be very misleading. It rarely weighs the problems according to severity/significance so a scratch is equal to a total powertrain failure.

And with regards to electronics. One advantage that tends to follow Harley is the combination of their long model runs with large crossover of components and large customer base.

As such there are aftermarket solutions for things like ECMs and instruments. I hope that trend continues.
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