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Default Kickstand identification?

I bought my R with some stumpy rear shocks on it, so I have no idea if my stand is stock length or not. The question is, what is stock length?

I can find part numbers, but I can’t find measurements. I haven’t looked at it too closely, but I’m not sure there’s a part number to be had on the stand itself. Anybody have a measurement (and what points they’re measuring)?

Also, HD’s mention of a longer stand for their rebadged XR shocks matches up with the number for an 07 R. Is that the same stand as the 04 outside of being black rather than chrome? Just curious if my stock length is the same as that one. I’m not aware of any changes that would have justified a longer one there, but the p/n is not a subtle difference like most color swaps end up being, though they are years apart.

I’ve always felt my bike leaned oddly far to the left. Obviously, it was more upright on the shorter shocks than it is now, but it never felt like it was standing too tall, so I’m curious about this stand. It’s on 13” springs now, granted they’re squishy 1200S springs, but it feels like it’s still over too far.
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Here are a couple of threads talking about Jiffy Stand lengths-

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...ht=49722-08BHP

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...d.php?t=312874
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I’d looked at a few threads (didn’t really think to also search for “jiffy stand”). Even that first one suffers the same problem I’d been running into thanks to everyone insisting people use photobucket for so long.

Looks like HD’s microfiche servers are down again for the time being, so no confirming anything, but I can’t imagine I have the stand I should if they didn’t change to a longer one until 06.
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the same problem I’d been running into thanks to everyone insisting people use photobucket for so long.
No one insisted, but Photobucket was easy to use. How was anyone supposed to know in advance that Photobucket would go mad and commit corporate suicide?

It wouldn't be a problem if people moved their pics to another hosting site and edited their posts with the new URLs.

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Looks like HD’s microfiche servers are down again for the time being, so no confirming anything, but I can’t imagine I have the stand I should if they didn’t change to a longer one until 06.
There was only one stand in '04 - '05: # 50185-04.

In '06 they still used that for the Customs and Lows, and introduced a new stand, # 50116-05, for the 883 and Rs.

In '07 they used the # 50185-04 for the Cs, 1200L and XL50, introduced #50238-07BHP for the 883L (now lower) and the Nightster, and introduced #49722-07BHP (same as # 50116-05 but black, I assume) for the 883 and Rs.

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Measure as I showed (quoted from link above) and see what length your current kickstand is.

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Here the 06 XL883 Custom kickstand appears to be 10.25" (or so...it's hard to tell with it mounted):



And here the stock 07 XL883 Low looks like it's 6.5":

The important bit to measure is from the pivot/mount point to the point the stand hits the ground. The toe kick part can add length that doesn't matter to the lean.
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Yeah, I saw that after digging around a bit, but it confused me after looking into part numbers. The part number for an 06 C is the same as my 04 R, yet my stand is 8” or so between those points, which I imagine to be correct given the 3 known lengths as of 07. It’s not over 10” as your pic shows, so I’m not sure what’s what, if the 883C is longer and there’s also a (supposedly longer) R stand that year though.

The 07 R is 49722-07BHP (superseded to -08BHP) and the longer stand Harley points you to if you’re looking at the 14” piggyback shocks. I assume that is the same as the long chrome one from the previous options, but can’t be sure. The 09 R and the XR switch to 50124-09BHP after this, which is also what the 16+ R uses, so there’s yet another new model of some mystery length, also black.

49722-08BHP is considerably more expensive than 50124-09BHP though, and I have to imagine the XR and the CX both need a pretty long stand, to the point I’d be surprised to find 07 R is still the longer option. 8” strikes me as too short for the longer shocks though after seeing I have at least a 10” option.
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Well, on the nicest day of the year so far I decided to do some kickstand maintenance, which allowed me to take some measurements while I was at it.

*NOTE* - I purchased all these bikes used (besides the 07 883L), so it's possible, but not likely, that the kickstands were replaced at some point prior to my ownership. They were all pretty much stock bikes when purchased, so I believe they are all the correct stands.

2016 1200CX Roadster (PN 50124-09BHP)


2012 XR1200X (PN 50124-09BHP)


2007 XL883L Low (50238-07BHP)


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UNKNOWN (previously thought to be 06 883C, but it's not):



My measurements aren't very precise, but should suffice for the purpose of internet discussions. I also doubt a half inch difference would make too much difference in the lean angle (Folkie our in house math guru could probably clarify that with a bunch of math stuffs).

Also, if you are going to replace the kickstand (or take it off for any reason), have some extra bushings on hand. It's not unusual to find no bushing left. This was what was on my '07 1200R today (left old, new on right).



Here is a thread that discusses using harder, lubricated bushings from grainger.

And, Sportytrace will likely be along soon and make a joke about men measuring their kickstands...

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Much appreciated. Odd that the XR and 09+ Rs are slightly shorter. Mine sits right about 8” (on the bike) so either would be better at fighting the lean.

According to boardtracker HD’s product pages, by weight, the XR and 07R are nearly identical. XR is listed at 2.4lbs and the 07 R is 2.34lbs. Not sure weights mean much, especially when the bigger number is the smaller stand.

The 06 R weight is listed at 1.82lbs and the 06 C is 2.24lbs though, so unless these numbers are not worth paying attention to, the R should actually be... smaller?

Still, 06C number should be the same as my 04R and mine sits around 8” though it certainly could have been swapped out when they dropped from the stock springs to 11.5” springs.

Looks like the XR or 07/08 R is going to be good to go, but I’m still surprised at how many times they’ve swapped different legs in there already.
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Now you bring up weight...I could have easily weighed them all while off. I can only take one off at a time (only one jack available currently), so it's kinda a pain to go back and do it now (and they all have fresh grease).

Do you have a link to the page you are referencing as far as the weights? I personally wouldn't give much credence to the weights compared to length. Seems to me to be lots of room for differences (they have changed the toe kick on the end a bit, for example). Also, many don't have very accurate scales.
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I don’t know that they mean much. But with nothing but the weight and the part number itself, weight is all I have to go on from this end.

http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ch%5E%2Fsearch

That’s the 07/08 long p/n there, others all claim different weights, which may be some sort of indicator, but maybe not.

And the kick tab is a good point. I know at least one is not a solid tab there. Definitely would affect weight, but given how much lighter the 06 R supposedly is, that’s still odd.
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