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My plugs #33 here are missing. Is this for a reason, or should I go ahead and put them in?

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do not know why they call them plugs but yes you need them. they act a spring seat/retainer. also will keep spring from digging into the aluminum carrier.
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springs would have less pressure without those.
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speaking of springs, there are two types. do not remember so i would have to look it up but hd replaces one set due to corrosion issue. diff color identifies them.
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I just watched a video where a guy's spring crumbled. He said his didn't come with plugs either. On mine I can see that one of the springs rubs up against the cast iron bit. I can imagine this causing carnage. Frankly I think this is AMF sabotage.



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I'm going to get the plugs and wait on replacing the springs. I don't trust an ebay seller to not sell me a NOS pair of AMF era springs and then have them fall apart on me. Frankly here I think one is better off with V-Twin springs. I can't believe I just said that.
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The picture is misleading. Those plugs are staked* into the pawl carrier support, not floating around with the springs. On your diagram, see the circles at the ends of the spring trough? Plugs go in those and are probably still installed.

Edit: If you jump to the 7:00 minute mark in that video you can kinda see the plugs. Darker spots at the ends of the spring trough. When he goes to remove the spring around 7:20, notice how he has to pull it off something rather than just yanking it up? That's the plug.

*Clarification: staked isn't the right word. The pawl carrier support is left alone. The plug itself is pounded flat on the outside like you would peen over the head of a rivet. Absolute PITA since you have to support the bottom of the plug from the inside of a curved slot.

Edit 2: Oh and the picture is backwards too. Big end goes on the inside to hold the spring. Small end goes through the hole to get peened over.

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Plus 1, BigMek beat me to it.

I can see no reason why anyone would take those out. The second and third pic here show them installed.

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The guy in the video fabricates a plug to go on the other end of the spring. The transmission didn't come with that. The end of the spring contacts the pawl carrier #35 directly.
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do not use cadmium plated 14 coil springs
use 16 coil cadmium springs or 14 or 16 coil black phosphatized springs
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The picture is misleading. Those plugs are staked* into the pawl carrier support, not floating around with the springs. On your diagram, see the circles at the ends of the spring trough? Plugs go in those and are probably still installed.

Edit: If you jump to the 7:00 minute mark in that video you can kinda see the plugs. Darker spots at the ends of the spring trough. When he goes to remove the spring around 7:20, notice how he has to pull it off something rather than just yanking it up? That's the plug.

*Clarification: staked isn't the right word. The pawl carrier support is left alone. The plug itself is pounded flat on the outside like you would peen over the head of a rivet. Absolute PITA since you have to support the bottom of the plug from the inside of a curved slot.

Edit 2: Oh and the picture is backwards too. Big end goes on the inside to hold the spring. Small end goes through the hole to get peened over.
Yep you're right. Jesus Christ I wonder if I'm coming down with Alzheimer's. He made those plugs and said he's seen where sometimes they are called for and sometimes they are not. So when you look at the manual, you see them floating in the air, so I thought I needed them, but I have them, they are pressed/staked in. But they are there. You don't need any at the bottom of the springs.

Never mind you guys, go back to doing what you were doing. I just hope somebody doesn't read my posts and gets as confused as I am and screw something up or buy somethign they don't need.
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