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Exclamation XL 2005, speedometer not working, code U1097

Ok, so I purchased a used XL 883 2005 , not running, with lots of problems, has been in a barn quite some time. I managed to make her run, and I know I have quite a problem, the speedometer and odometer aint working.


This is big here, because I can't pass the year inspection without a working speedometer (in kilometers! ) so I can't legally use the bike until I fix that


The bike had the following codes : P0374, P0502, P0562, P1010, U1064, U1097


I hunted and cleaned all, I purchased new CKP sensor, new VSS sensor, new spark plugs, new air filter, new oil, new battery, cleaned fuses, etc... the bike now runs fine, no other codes, but from time to time U1097 pops again, this code is random, doesnt come every time



also the speedometer is not working at all...



the symptons are:


  • speedometer turns light on, shows display of odometer, can switch A,B trip



  • the needle is stuck on 0 speed, no matter what I do (but sweeps full range in WOW diag mode)



  • the turn signals wont come off automatically, but do work



  • odometer doesnt increase miles... i think this was disconnected to sell it, because the bike has lots of wear i.e the buttons are concave of so much use, but the bike displays only 36 000 miles... I have others with twice the miles and they still have their control buttons with good reading







what I did so far:

  • VSS sensor is brand new, and works, tested it on other 883



  • WOW test works pefectly according to electric manual (I do have the 2005 electric diagnostic manual), the speedometer does the sweep, lights turn on, etc, display comes on... Background lighting should illuminate, gauge needle should sweep its full range ofmotion, and indicator lamps (check engine, low fuel, battery and security) should illuminate. All this works



from the electric diagnostic manual: When all operating parameters on the serial data link are within specifications, a state of health message is sent between the components. A Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) U1097 indicates that the speedometer is not capable of sending this state of health message.





ok, so far, I understand, here comes the part I cannot do... "Connect BREAKOUT BOX (Part No. HD-42682) to wire harness ... ETC"


also mentions HD-46601 and HD-41404, I guess those are dealer-only tools...



Im at Costa Rica right now, Harley left the country so Im on my own, no Digital Technician, no Breakout Box, nothing... what can I do on my own?


Also would be hard to replace speedometer, because I need it to be in kilometers to be able to pass the year inspection and make it road worthy (I know, I dont make the law )



They have a nice chart on the manual with simple steps that most end in "replace the speedometer"... this seems harder to do, since I need one in kilometers and with the odometer with the km that the bike had last inspection...



any ideas welcome... thanks
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The breakout box tests are typically to simplify continuity testing... Not really needed for that if you can use a multimeter.

Go to the Speedometer connector (39B-Pin2) & the ECM connector (10B-Pin12)- Check for continuity of the LtGREEN/Violet wire (Serial Data Bus) between those two connectors. If no continuity, you'll have to trace down the break in the wiring.


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The bike had the following codes : P0374, P0502, P0562, P1010, U1064, U1097
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P0374: CKP Sensor Not Detected
P0502: VSS High/Open
P0562: Battery Voltage Low
P1010: Missing Password
U1064: Loss of TSM/TSSM Serial Data
U1097: Loss of Speedometer Serial Data
To me, that says ICM gone bad.
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F.W.I.W. Ipurchased the “English” model speedometer when my regular one was damaged. Pricing was the same. Makes it very handy when I run in Canada. The English model has both k.p.h. and m.p.h. on its face.
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Well, I did all the tests and seems that I need a new speedometer...

Kinda sucks that all the diagram path is "everything is fine" or "just drop $ 600 in a new speedometer"

from the electric diagnostic manual:



around 50% of what I paid for the entire bike... never! I hate to spend money, specially on something that should have a guide on how to repair the speedometer, not just throw money at it

Im doing this on a shoestring budget...

so my plan is to put a GPS generic speedometer (around 80 bucks) ... so... anybody has experience with it? can I get 12V from somewhere easy to power it up? thanks

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This thread may be of interest:
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You should be able to pull 12v power from the handle bar harness, or just run a line up from the battery.
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You should be able to pull 12v power from the handle bar harness, or just run a line up from the battery.

maybe from the headlamp? so the speedometer turns on when I turn on the bike and not drain battery ? guess how I would tap it, I have never done it, Im learning as I go...
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To give closure to this issue, I finally solved it by installing a GPS enabled speedometer ( USD 85 plus 20 shipping). I never managed to make the HD speedometer to work, even with a new VSS sensor and all..

Looks pretty good, works fine, and passed year inspection!

The speedometer inside diameter is 85 mm , and outside with bezel is 96 mm, same than the original 2004 up speedometer, so it fits in the same bracket. Check this! I reused the rubber gasket in front, at back I used silicone sealant.

I got it from Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/ELING-Digital.../dp/B07KP7HGJ4

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Quite satisfied with it!! Also you can change background color, and set the odometer in km, miles or knots. Also set the total odometer to whatever number you want. I think is a speedometer designed for boats because it has a compass... I tested it on the rain, works good.

The only thing I dont like is the big GPS letters, it should be all black.

I may do a guide on how to install this if people is interested. I took plenty videos...

For power I tapped 12 V and GND from the old speedometer wires, I make a make plug with 2 wires and a little epoxy resin so I dont have to cut wires and keep the original plugs.

Problem solved

Pictures:

1. Old vs New. Note that the bezel gauge was also repaired. I explained how on another thread here > http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2079909



2. Testing on bike - Check your diag electric manual to find correct 12V and GND pins!



3. Close up of pins



4. Home made plug, with epoxy and pins, and also electric tape and silicone. So I dont have to cut cables.



5. Ready to go...



Done! I have speedometer!


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