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Default 07 Ign Acc position.

I had the oil tank out of the 07 bike yesterday to fit a new one and clock indicator strip off to fit a new Neutral LED , and since I have a big strip of fuse terminal contacts i thought i'd make use of the empty slot to add a separate fuse and switched wire output for stuff like phone charger GPS etc.


Now, see the picture of the wiring diagram belo. Yes I know is not from the Harley Service manual.which is what is making me wonder about it.

It clearly shows the switch powering the Acc line only on first 'click of the key and everything else on the IGN position.


In reality that is exactly the opposite of what happens..


All comes ON on first click, Acc only comes live on second click.


My guess is some one had the switch off and put back together wrong. but not had a check yet.


Or is it the Clymber manual that is wrong?


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First position from off should be accessories only
Perhaps a previous owner did not want to turn the key two positions?
Accessories is red/gray wire and ignition is red/black wire.
Reversal should do no harm
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Yes so as per the diagram above.

Will get the ignition switch off and check wiring at the back


Thought it was wrong, wanted second opinion first

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Here's the Sportsterpedia section on the STOCK Keyswitch:
http://sportsterpedia.com/doku.php/t...c03#key_switch

Here's a REFerence section discussing switch operation:
http://sportsterpedia.com/doku.php/t...g_a_key_switch

"The Key Switch has an ACCESSORY position and a RUN position. This allowed the 4-way flashers to function on the Accessories Circuit without the rest of the circuits being powered. The key could be removed in the Acc Position of the keyswtich so you could walk for help while leaving the 4-way flashers on, without leaving the key in the ignition switch. The keyswitch labels were now B - A - IG for Battery, Accessory & Ignition."

" Since the Key Switch sends power to the Fuses (or the Circuit Breakers - CBs), you can test the reliability of the Key Switch contacts by pulling the fuses (or disconnecting the CBs) and checking for incoming power."

"On 1994-2013 models, you can pull the fuses (or disconnect the Circuit Breakers) and check the incoming power on the Ignition Fuse/CB and on the Accessory Fuse/CB. Wiggle the Key Switch while monitoring the voltage to see whether the power is intermittent or reliably constant.

If the power is intermittent to the Fuses/CBs, in addition to checking the fuse panel and the wiring to it, you'll need to closely examine the Key Switch itself for damaged connections or loose/broken internal parts."

The brake light & horn will work in the ACC position & the instrument lights are also powered on by the ACC circuit.

NOTE: If you have an international version, the key may not be removed in the ACC position & the Taillight & Position Light (in headlight) will also be lit.


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Solved...
Yes key switch had been a screwed with...
Blue crimp connectors !

Nice how the back end of the switch has a ‘shield’ that fills with water !


Wires swapped and all good... until switch fails... new one on order.



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Thanks for the update
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Thankfully the rusted one was the BATT+ feed so did not need to be unscrewed... just swap the other two
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